Looking for info on this brand of amp/PA...

[It's that Guy again...]

Hi boyz n girlz.

Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH. Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time. Can't wait till next year.

I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).

Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used. You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era. I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.

Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!

Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog. Thanks for the help, U all...

email me (remove spam) at mrd(spam)***@fritztr(spam)onics.com

JJTj




God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

[liquidator]

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hi boyz n girlz.
Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH. Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time. Can't wait till next year.
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).
Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used. You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era. I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.
Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!
Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog. Thanks for the help, U all...
JJTj

Holy Crapola!


99% sure from Michigan...Ann Arbor I think. Didn't sell especially well,
fairly low tech even for the time.

[It's that Guy again...]

Post by liquidator

Post by It's that Guy again...
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:21:31 -0400, "liquidator"

Post by liquidator
Holy Crapola!
99% sure from Michigan...Ann Arbor I think. Didn't sell especially well,
fairly low tech even for the time.

Yes, I believe so. Damn, I can picture the catalog in my mind,
but can't find it anywhere in my room(s) full of files.

When Zappa came to my hometown, I talked to one of his roadies,
who told me the band LOVED the cabs because they could be used
for anything. Guitar, keyboards, horns, bass, PA, whatever, like
the old Acoustic stuff. The cabs could be set on either side of
the stage, with the horns (being on the side) mirrored, or could
be placed with the horns on top, serving whatever need ya
wanted. IMMSMW, they had 'on/off' horn switches too.

FZ played in a 'lobby' of Clark U, in Worcester, MA, the &
the opening act was J Geils. Zappa's band was late, so JG did
3 versions of what later was called the 'Full House' live LP, and
were just awesome. When FZ showed up, he explained how the
airplane people were upset over something in the overhead
compartment of a band member. FZ then instructed the crowd,
complete with hand signals, the 'COM--PART--MENT' song &
routine. I can still do it today, for what it's worth. Great show.

The cabs were blue 'flock' material, that seemed to hold up well,
alot like the later 'carpet' coverings used by Ampeg and Cerwin Vega.

Speaking of CV, anyone remember the rack mount amps they sold
that were just bent 'U' shaped metal with a box screwed onto it?

Anyway, the horns were about the same level of the Acoustic 260
cabs, but there were 4 of them (w/2-15" EV spkrs) and THEY were
'flocked' too. Heavey as hell. FZ also bought alot of power amps
from them, but they didn't last long, as his the road mang (Marty P)
told me when I sold the FZ their 1st GMT amp in Boston, which later
became the 'GK' company. Years later, I saw pix of the band using a
shitload of GMT stuff, but still those ARB cabs..everywhere on stage.

They even brought them to the UK to film 200 Motels, & they got more
screen time then FZ himself did. HEAVY cabinets. VERY HEAVY.

Hey, thanks for the input. You helped alot. Let me know
if I can return the favor. Man, I need to get this out of my
system. Talk about mind flockers. HELP ANYBODY HELP !!!!


JJTj


email me (remove spam) at mrd(spam)***@fritztr(spam)onics.com


(Pic of FZ using the GMT amp I sold him):

http://www.usaelectron.com/GM/









www.univaz.com

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[RD Jones]

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Post by liquidator

Post by It's that Guy again...
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:21:31 -0400, "liquidator"

Post by liquidator
Holy Crapola!
99% sure from Michigan...Ann Arbor I think. Didn't sell especially well,
fairly low tech even for the time.

Yes, I believe so.  Damn, I can picture the catalog in my mind,
but can't find it anywhere in my room(s) full of files.
When Zappa came to my hometown, I talked to one of his roadies,
who told me the band LOVED the cabs because they could be used
for anything.  Guitar, keyboards, horns, bass, PA, whatever, like
the old Acoustic stuff. The cabs could be set on either side of
the stage, with the horns (being on the side) mirrored, or could
be placed with the horns on top, serving whatever need ya
wanted.  IMMSMW, they had 'on/off' horn switches too.
FZ played in a 'lobby' of Clark U, in Worcester, MA, the &
the opening act was J Geils.  Zappa's band was late, so JG did
3 versions of what later was called the 'Full House' live LP, and
were just awesome.  When FZ showed up, he explained how the
airplane people were upset over something in the overhead
compartment of a band member.  FZ then instructed the crowd,
complete with hand signals,  the 'COM--PART--MENT' song &
routine.  I can still do it today, for what it's worth.  Great show.
The cabs were blue 'flock' material, that seemed to hold up well,
alot like the later 'carpet' coverings used by Ampeg and Cerwin Vega.
Speaking of CV, anyone remember the rack mount amps they sold
that were just bent 'U' shaped metal with a box screwed onto it?
Anyway, the horns were about the same level of the Acoustic 260
cabs, but there were 4 of them (w/2-15" EV spkrs) and THEY were
'flocked' too.  Heavey as hell.  FZ also bought alot of power amps
from them, but they didn't last long, as his the road mang (Marty P)
told me when I sold the FZ their 1st GMT amp in Boston, which later
became the 'GK' company.  Years later, I saw pix of the band using a
shitload of GMT stuff, but still those ARB cabs..everywhere on stage.
They even brought them to the UK to film 200 Motels, & they got more
screen time then FZ himself did.  HEAVY cabinets.  VERY HEAVY.
Hey, thanks for the input.   You helped alot.  Let me know
if I can return the favor.  Man, I need to get this out of my
system.  Talk about mind flockers.  HELP ANYBODY HELP !!!!
JJTj
http://www.usaelectron.com/GM/
     www.univaz.com   
('technology, with honor')

One of the top regional bands around N.E. Ohio (Glass Harp)
had an ARB system in the early '70s.
I seem to remember that they got it because it was supposed to
be the most powerful self-contained system at the time, debatable.

It had a somewhat unusual floorstanding mixer-amp that was
shaped like a mini-console with a slanted top.

You might try contacting Nick D. at "The Speaker Shop" in
N. Lima Oh. He was their soundman.

rd

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One of the top regional bands around N.E. Ohio (Glass Harp)
had an ARB system in the early '70s.
I seem to remember that they got it because it was supposed to
be the most powerful self-contained system at the time, debatable.
It had a somewhat unusual floorstanding mixer-amp that was
shaped like a mini-console with a slanted top.
You might try contacting Nick D. at "The Speaker Shop" in
N. Lima Oh. He was their soundman.
rd

Will do..Thanx...


JJTj

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One of the top regional bands around N.E. Ohio (Glass Harp)
had an ARB system in the early '70s.
I seem to remember that they got it because it was supposed to
be the most powerful self-contained system at the time, debatable.

It had a somewhat unusual floorstanding mixer-amp that was
shaped like a mini-console with a slanted top.

You might try contacting Nick D. at "The Speaker Shop" in
N. Lima Oh. He was their soundman.

rd

I reaaly liked those guys. Genuinely good people.

Haven't seen Phil in a few years but he is better than ever...

[DougD]

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hey, thanks for the input. You helped alot. Let me know
if I can return the favor. Man, I need to get this out of my
system. Talk about mind flockers. HELP ANYBODY HELP !!!!
JJTj
http://www.usaelectron.com/GM/

Seems to me that I've also seen those used by Black Oak, Robin Trower,
and Ted Nugent way back when.. Possibly even Chicago, this would have
been around 74-77

d.

[Greasehorse]

Here's about the only thing I've found on it so far...

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:21:31 -0400, "liquidator"
<***@mad.scientist.com> wrote:

http://vintageamps.com/plexiboard/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=39330&start=0

ARB

HELP! Ampower & ARB amplifier info

Postby buddhanthepests on Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:00 am

This is my first post and any help is appreciated.

I've got two amps that I'd like to find information on. The Ampower
Model 80-made in CHicago around '49. (it may be a DelPrince)(?)
It is a single 12 tube amp with tremelo that I have just gotten back
after selling it 2o years ago. The preamp section is still intact. The
bottom portion of the amp-the power amp, is missing 4 tubes, someone
also removed the speaker. I believe the speaker had the output
tranformer mounted on it, but not positive. there is no tube chart and
no schematic. I've done web searches but there were only 2 on Harmony
Central one on VG and none of the e-dresses were still good. ANy body
got one out there??

The second one is a Solid state, ARB amp head. It works fine, I'd just
like to learn where it came from.

It has a dark blue face plate with huge letters ARB on the Right side.
On the front it has two inputs, a volume treble and bass control, a
pilot light, polarity switch, on/off switch and then 3 fuses in a row
3amp, 6 amp, 6amp. Yeah the fuses are mounted on the front ??? every
switch, fuse, knob is labeled very clearly...

A post on VG got a reply from a player in virginia who has one. His
has the same head but then a matching cabinet with 4-15's topped by 2
horns.

WOW... He doesn't know where it is from either.

Any idea who made these jobs? there's no markings on the back except
for a small pressed piece of metal with the numer 500.

Oh yeah, Gerald Weber at Kendrick and the guys at Guitar Emporium have
never seen one either.

Thanks, Buddha,
Helpful hints will receive a free buddhanthepests CD.
----------------------
uddhanthepests:

I just got one of these from a buddy of mine to fix. The bottom
chassis has the following from left to right (looking in from the
back):

The OT on the left, PT on the right.
the back row has a 6SQ7 (left) and a 6J5 (right)

The middle row contains two 6V6

The socket on the right has (I'm assuming) a 5Y3 rectifier. I say
"assume" because it was missing when I got it, and it is wired for
that type of rectifier, and the original owner seemed to remember that
it had a 5Y3.

Does yours have this tube, if so it would be nice to verify this...?

BTW: the speaker on this one is an original Oxford 12" that sounds
very nice - later Oxfords were poor, but this one is good. And the OT
was not mounted to it.

Hope this helps. Email me at moorecowbelle AT gmail dot com
===========================================
01-22-2006, 08:22 PM
just fishin round to see if anyone know anything about these
things..picked it up for my son at the good will ...never heard of
them and cant find any info on them....does work but has a little
hummmmm to it.........lookin for a little
help.........thanks.........x37tuna..........
Urizen
01-22-2006, 08:28 PM
That is a PA system. Does your son have a preamp he could run into one
of the the inputs? Your hum sounds like a ground problem. A good
cleaning of all of those pots may help. That speaker cab looks wild.
Good luck!
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ARB, info on this cab and amp? HALP!
I came across this on fleabay. The only info I was able to come across
was here on TB and it was very little info. From the looks of this
cab, it's a folded horn design.
I'm hoping someone here can shed some more light on this, ie - when
where these made, specs on the amp, etc.

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Not big enough to be a true folded horn, just barely big enough to be
a scoop of bad design although seller almost intimates that two more
drivers could be placed in there ; }

I doubt there's anything to attract either a modern buyer or a vintage
enthusiast. Just because it's for auction doesn't mean it's for
action. 157 pounds?
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I remember those ARB amps from back in the early '70s when I was first
starting to play bass. Guitarist Bill Durango had a music shop in
University Heights, and later Cleveland Heights, Ohio; he had a bunch
of ARB amps for us to use whenever we went there on Saturday
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Our jazz band in highschool had an ARB bass combo with either 210 or
212 inch woofers in it. The amp part had a dark blue face. Damn no one
but a couple of us have heard of these. I cant find anythng on the net
either.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=526809
==================================================
TYPE: Bass Guitar
MODEL: ARB-50 ARIA PRO II BASS
MANUFACTURER: Aria Guitars
YEAR: 1988-1991
http://www.usedprice.com/items/guitars-musical-instruments/aria-guitars/bass-guitar/arb50-aria-pro-ii-bass-156355.html?ob=T&m=0
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Mentioned here
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:34:08 -0500, Greasehorse

Post by Greasehorse
Here's about the only thing I've found on it so far..

Yeah, some of that I found too, DAMN I wish I could find
that catalog. I KNOW I have it, but with all the paper
I have, it can be anywhere in over 50 boxes. OR,
like a idiot, I might of sold it. Gotta go thru that stuff.

Thanks for the info.


JJTj

[Lord Valve]

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hi boyz n girlz.
Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH. Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time. Can't wait till next year.
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).
Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used. You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era. I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.
Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!
Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog. Thanks for the help, U all...
JJTj
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

ARB was a division of Multi-Elmac Co.

I might have some schematics; I'm not where I can
look for 'em at the moment. Gimme a day or so.

Lord Valve
Expert (please obsess)

[It's that Guy again...]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:43:59 -0600, Lord Valve

Post by Lord Valve
ARB was a division of Multi-Elmac Co.
I might have some schematics; I'm not where I can
look for 'em at the moment. Gimme a day or so.
Lord Valve
Expert (please obsess)

I should of known you would have such info, LV.

Anything you can do, whenever you can, bro.

Thanks big time.

JJTj

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we NEVER think twice...

Post by Lord Valve
ARB was a division of Multi-Elmac Co.

LV amazes me sometimes.

Just for grins I googled them, they also made ham radio stuff.
The limit of my miniscule knowledge was at least right about Michigan...

http://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hersteller_detail.cfm?company_id=7954

AFAIK they unfortunately are dead and gone. It appears they became Multicode
then were absorbed by a company called Linear. Reduced to garage door
openers.

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On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:13:30 -0400, "liquidator"

Post by It's that Guy again...
we NEVER think twice...

Post by Lord Valve
ARB was a division of Multi-Elmac Co.

LV amazes me sometimes.

Which is why I laugh when others claim otherwise. LV is a god
when it comes to such history, and like anybody, if asked
nicely, he shares it. With assholes, he has no time. Nor do I.

Post by It's that Guy again...
Just for grins I googled them, they also made ham radio stuff.
The limit of my miniscule knowledge was at least right about Michigan...
http://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hersteller_detail.cfm?company_id=7954
AFAIK they unfortunately are dead and gone. It appears they became Multicode
then were absorbed by a company called Linear. Reduced to garage door
openers.

Yeah, the old CB stuff is well doc'ed, and it seems they went heavy
into the garage door opener biz, but nothing on ARB. Shiet, if not
for Zappa using them all the time, who would of ever known.

But between us all, maybe we can shed some light on this history.

AGAIN, I thank all who help me here, and it's nice to have ON TOPIC
stuff posted for a change. Maybe I'll get the 'AMP-PORN' site up
again this week when I get back home. Never know what ya might see.

JJTj




God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

[LULU]

Post by Lord Valve

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hi boyz n girlz.
Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH.  Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time.  Can't wait till next year.
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).
Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used.  You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era.  I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.
Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!
Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog.  Thanks for the help, U all...
JJTj
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

ARB was a division of Multi-Elmac Co.
I might have some schematics; I'm not where I can
look for 'em at the moment.  Gimme a day or so.
Lord Valve
Expert (please obsess)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Good call! The 1970 list of NAMM exihibitors has an entry for, "ARB
Amplifiers, Div. of Multi-Elmac Co." I'm guessing that the ARB
doesn't refer to "military receivers." I can't find anything amongst
my various bits of odds and ends info about ARB amps or cabinets. The
ARB amps that I've seen were all SS. Were there tube models as well?
All the amps that I've personally seen had dark blue face plates with
the letters "ARB" to the right. I remember that the fuses were also
on the faceplate. The two or three cabinets that I've seen were
loaded with 4-15' speakers and a couple horns. Wow, that's 40 years
back! It getting so there's more and more things to forget
about . . .

Lulu : )

[Lord Valve]

Post by LULU

Post by Lord Valve

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hi boyz n girlz.
Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH. Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time. Can't wait till next year.
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).
Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used. You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era. I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.
Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!
Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog. Thanks for the help, U all...
JJTj
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

ARB was a division of Multi-Elmac Co.
I might have some schematics; I'm not where I can
look for 'em at the moment. Gimme a day or so.
Lord Valve
Expert (please obsess)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Good call! The 1970 list of NAMM exihibitors has an entry for, "ARB
Amplifiers, Div. of Multi-Elmac Co." I'm guessing that the ARB
doesn't refer to "military receivers." I can't find anything amongst
my various bits of odds and ends info about ARB amps or cabinets. The
ARB amps that I've seen were all SS. Were there tube models as well?
All the amps that I've personally seen had dark blue face plates with
the letters "ARB" to the right. I remember that the fuses were also
on the faceplate. The two or three cabinets that I've seen were
loaded with 4-15' speakers and a couple horns. Wow, that's 40 years
back! It getting so there's more and more things to forget
about . . .
Lulu : )

No, no tubes for ARB.

Plenty of big fuzzy speaker cabinets, though. They had
a PA "head" that was unique in its configuration; it had
casters on the bottom, stood maybe 3 or 3-1/2 feet
tall, with the knobs on a slanted surface. (Pretty steep
slant - looked like a compromise between being able
to work them standing up or sitting down on a chair in
front of the "console." 200 watts, as I recall, fairly
powerful for the time. I worked in a store in the early
70s that sold ARB. It didn't sound half bad, but I
always thought it looked like total shit; the flocking was
surprisingly durable, but when it got dirty it looked
like ass, and there was no easy way to clean it...
any solvent strong enough to clean the stuff would
dissolve the glue that held it on the wood. The EV
horns used in those cabinets weren't exactly hi-fi;
they were what I used to call "parking lot" horns,
you'd see 'em on phone poles at used car lots,
with 70V line trannies on the back. Ugh!

I *know* I have some ARB schematics - I used to
repair the stuff where I worked. Can't find 'em, though.


Lord Valve
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:37:18 -0600, Lord Valve

Post by Lord Valve
No, no tubes for ARB.

Yeah, I just remember solid state too.

Post by Lord Valve
Plenty of big fuzzy speaker cabinets, though. They had
a PA "head" that was unique in its configuration; it had
casters on the bottom, stood maybe 3 or 3-1/2 feet
tall, with the knobs on a slanted surface. (Pretty steep
slant - looked like a compromise between being able
to work them standing up or sitting down on a chair in
front of the "console." 200 watts, as I recall, fairly
powerful for the time. I worked in a store in the early
70s that sold ARB. It didn't sound half bad, but I
always thought it looked like total shit; the flocking was
surprisingly durable, but when it got dirty it looked
like ass, and there was no easy way to clean it...
any solvent strong enough to clean the stuff would
dissolve the glue that held it on the wood.

The trick was just soap and water. Zappa's folks
told me that. And their stuff held up rather well
till it burnt up in the fire that created that DP
big hit single "Smoke on the water". I later heard
that all that was left was about 10 cabs left in the US.

Post by Lord Valve
The EV
horns used in those cabinets weren't exactly hi-fi;
they were what I used to call "parking lot" horns,
you'd see 'em on phone poles at used car lots,
with 70V line trannies on the back. Ugh!

..which is why they used 4 of them..and flocked them too.

Post by Lord Valve
I *know* I have some ARB schematics - I used to
repair the stuff where I worked. Can't find 'em, though.

I know you are busy, but if you do find them, let me know.

Post by Lord Valve
Lord Valve
Expert (please obsess)

JJTj





And my head is down and I'm called
a clown by comedians that grace.

The living stage of every page of
worthless meaningless space.

But I swear to you before we're though
you're gonna feel our every blow..

We ain't bleeding you we're feeding you
but you're too fucking slow

[Greasehorse]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:13:32 -0400, It's that Guy again...

Post by It's that Guy again...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:37:18 -0600, Lord Valve

Post by Lord Valve
No, no tubes for ARB.

Yeah, I just remember solid state too.

Post by Lord Valve
Plenty of big fuzzy speaker cabinets, though. They had
a PA "head" that was unique in its configuration; it had
casters on the bottom, stood maybe 3 or 3-1/2 feet
tall, with the knobs on a slanted surface. (Pretty steep
slant - looked like a compromise between being able
to work them standing up or sitting down on a chair in
front of the "console." 200 watts, as I recall, fairly
powerful for the time. I worked in a store in the early
70s that sold ARB. It didn't sound half bad, but I
always thought it looked like total shit; the flocking was
surprisingly durable, but when it got dirty it looked
like ass, and there was no easy way to clean it...
any solvent strong enough to clean the stuff would
dissolve the glue that held it on the wood.

The trick was just soap and water. Zappa's folks
told me that. And their stuff held up rather well
till it burnt up in the fire that created that DP
big hit single "Smoke on the water". I later heard
that all that was left was about 10 cabs left in the US.

Post by Lord Valve
The EV
horns used in those cabinets weren't exactly hi-fi;
they were what I used to call "parking lot" horns,
you'd see 'em on phone poles at used car lots,
with 70V line trannies on the back. Ugh!

..which is why they used 4 of them..and flocked them too.

Post by Lord Valve
I *know* I have some ARB schematics - I used to
repair the stuff where I worked. Can't find 'em, though.

I know you are busy, but if you do find them, let me know.

Post by Lord Valve
Lord Valve
Expert (please obsess)

JJTj
And my head is down and I'm called
a clown by comedians that grace.
The living stage of every page of
worthless meaningless space.
But I swear to you before we're though
you're gonna feel our every blow..
We ain't bleeding you we're feeding you
but you're too fucking slow

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1284

[It's that Guy again...]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:42:45 -0500, Greasehorse

Post by Greasehorse
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1284

There is a FZ doc out that shows Deep Purple recording
in the hotel, and the fire at the casino, which looked nasty.

FZ released a 'Beat the Boots' cd with a recording
of it happening. Howard Kaylan says:

"..FIRE..Authur Brown, in person.."

Then you hear FZ trying to get the crowd out. They
lost everything, and that was before the days of
insuring equipment for short tours. Many bands lent
them gear (DP for one) to try to finish the tour,
then that asswipe dragged FZ off the stage.

Never a dull moment..

JJTj

[Les Cargill]

Post by It's that Guy again...
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:42:45 -0500, Greasehorse

Post by Greasehorse
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1284

There is a FZ doc out that shows Deep Purple recording
in the hotel, and the fire at the casino, which looked nasty.
FZ released a 'Beat the Boots' cd with a recording
"..FIRE..Authur Brown, in person.."
Then you hear FZ trying to get the crowd out.

That is amazing about that recording (I've heard it a couple
times) is how well controlled frank's voice is. Disciplined
guy, our Franku.

Post by It's that Guy again...
They
lost everything, and that was before the days of
insuring equipment for short tours. Many bands lent
them gear (DP for one) to try to finish the tour,
then that asswipe dragged FZ off the stage.
Never a dull moment..
JJTj

--
Les Cargill

[Tony Elka]

Post by Les Cargill
That is amazing about that recording (I've heard it a couple
times) is how well controlled frank's voice is. Disciplined
guy, our Franku.

A fine fellow, that F.Z., and not remembered nearly as often as he
should be.

I loved almost everything he did, but musically he kinda lost me when he
became a Synclavier programmer towards the end. I think he was probably
overjoyed to find something that could play his charts without error.

Tony

[Les Cargill]

Post by Tony Elka

Post by Les Cargill
That is amazing about that recording (I've heard it a couple
times) is how well controlled frank's voice is. Disciplined
guy, our Franku.

A fine fellow, that F.Z., and not remembered nearly as often as he
should be.
I loved almost everything he did, but musically he kinda lost me when he
became a Synclavier programmer towards the end.

The Synclavier required *real* programmers. That was not a
solo en-devour, either. Team effort. It was just not necessary
to advertise the team. This is how technology works.

Sorry, but CPIII is my go-to for music in general. I simply
cannot find anything like it since. "Dio Fa" is just imcomparable.

Post by Tony Elka
I think he was probably
overjoyed to find something that could play his charts without error.

Exactly. And he did not avoid the mad scientist aroma of
that arrangement, either.

he was the one guy who could do modern serious music with
a sense of humanity. There is still Phillip Glass, who will
probably live a long time, produces great works, but Frank
was somehow different from that.

Post by Tony Elka
Tony

--
Les Cargill

[Tony Elka]

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Tony Elka

Post by Les Cargill
That is amazing about that recording (I've heard it a couple
times) is how well controlled frank's voice is. Disciplined
guy, our Franku.

A fine fellow, that F.Z., and not remembered nearly as often as he
should be.
I loved almost everything he did, but musically he kinda lost me when he
became a Synclavier programmer towards the end.

The Synclavier required *real* programmers. That was not a
solo en-devour, either. Team effort. It was just not necessary
to advertise the team. This is how technology works.

You are quite right. A friend of mine used to be in charge of the
recording studio at Mattel Toys, and they had a Synclavier there around
1986 I'd say. If he hadn't been bald to start with, I'm sure he'd have
pulled his hair out learning to program it. It was NOT intuitive.

They had an old ARP 2600 too, used it to make sounds for all kinds of
electronic toys in the early 1980's, including some of the Intellivision
video game sound effects.

I remember they had to pull audio of Robin Williams doing the character
Mork off the TV show for the talking doll they sold, because Mr.
Williams was far too important to come to the studio and record a few
lines, despite the fact that he received plenty of money just for
signing a piece of paper letting them use his likeness. Like it would
have killed him to get on the 405 and drive down to the South Bay Curve
near Redondo Beach for an hour or two? Plenty of other celebrities
didn't have a problem with it.

Post by Les Cargill
Sorry, but CPIII is my go-to for music in general. I simply
cannot find anything like it since. "Dio Fa" is just imcomparable.
http://youtu.be/KS-5Dxhp4OE

Post by Tony Elka
I think he was probably
overjoyed to find something that could play his charts without error.

Exactly. And he did not avoid the mad scientist aroma of
that arrangement, either.

I realize now that the album I didn't care for was Jazz from Hell.
Civilization is quite fun.

Post by Les Cargill
he was the one guy who could do modern serious music with
a sense of humanity. There is still Phillip Glass, who will
probably live a long time, produces great works, but Frank
was somehow different from that.

Phillip Glass could give repetition a bad name.

Tony

[Denny Strauser]

Post by Tony Elka

Post by Les Cargill

Post by Tony Elka

Post by Les Cargill
That is amazing about that recording (I've heard it a couple
times) is how well controlled frank's voice is. Disciplined
guy, our Franku.

A fine fellow, that F.Z., and not remembered nearly as often as he
should be.
I loved almost everything he did, but musically he kinda lost me when he
became a Synclavier programmer towards the end.

The Synclavier required *real* programmers. That was not a
solo en-devour, either. Team effort. It was just not necessary
to advertise the team. This is how technology works.

You are quite right. A friend of mine used to be in charge of the
recording studio at Mattel Toys, and they had a Synclavier there around
1986 I'd say. If he hadn't been bald to start with, I'm sure he'd have
pulled his hair out learning to program it. It was NOT intuitive.
They had an old ARP 2600 too, used it to make sounds for all kinds of
electronic toys in the early 1980's, including some of the Intellivision
video game sound effects.
I remember they had to pull audio of Robin Williams doing the character
Mork off the TV show for the talking doll they sold, because Mr.
Williams was far too important to come to the studio and record a few
lines, despite the fact that he received plenty of money just for
signing a piece of paper letting them use his likeness. Like it would
have killed him to get on the 405 and drive down to the South Bay Curve
near Redondo Beach for an hour or two? Plenty of other celebrities
didn't have a problem with it.

Post by Les Cargill
Sorry, but CPIII is my go-to for music in general. I simply
cannot find anything like it since. "Dio Fa" is just imcomparable.
http://youtu.be/KS-5Dxhp4OE

Post by Tony Elka
I think he was probably
overjoyed to find something that could play his charts without error.

Exactly. And he did not avoid the mad scientist aroma of
that arrangement, either.

I realize now that the album I didn't care for was Jazz from Hell.
Civilization is quite fun.

Post by Les Cargill
he was the one guy who could do modern serious music with
a sense of humanity. There is still Phillip Glass, who will
probably live a long time, produces great works, but Frank
was somehow different from that.

Here is a link to a Zappa bootleg that I converted to mp3 & posted on
yousendit.com
https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload&rurl=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.yousendit.com%252Ftransfer.php%253Faction%253Dbatch_download%2526batch_id%253DaHlSZ282UENVVGswTVE9PQ

The link only is valid for a few days, so download it quick.

- Denny

[It's that Guy again...]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:52:06 -0400, Les Cargill

Post by Les Cargill
That is amazing about that recording (I've heard it a couple
times) is how well controlled frank's voice is. Disciplined
guy, our Franku.

I was blessed to of met FZ a few times, sold him a GMT amp,
gave him a RuDelle guitar, and later, met members of the
original MOI playing as the Grandmothers in RI 2000.

FZ off stage was still very controlled, but very layed back,
and once I told him a joke, and he slapped his knee in
laughter. Reading about him later, THAT action was
the sign that he really found something funny. I
told him a old Goon Show joke. He knew his shit about
gear, more then any other 'icon' I ever met, and I've
met quite a few (concerning gear). And could he play!

He was playing in Boston, and after the show, I went to his
hotel, showed him the 12-string RuDelle acoustic, which was
just a re-packaged EKO by a local friend of mine. See here:

http://www.fetishguitars.com/html/italiane/misc/rudelle.html

Dick Rudelle bought a shit load of them, and also inported
the dreaded 'Amplipiano' clone of a Fender Rhodes.

Dick and I also demo'd the piano to Duke Ellington at a
outdoor show around Boston. Talk about a I-C-O-N !

But back to FZ. HE took the guitar into a room, and
played the shit out of it, then told me everything
that was 'wrong' with it. He was right. So I offered to give
it to him, he smiled, and said: "..sure.." then gave me passes
to RI later that week, which allowed me to witness the historic
'VOLMAN' joke. I've posted details on zappa.com's forum.

Roger D of the Who also bought, from me, a RuDelle 12-string,
that he loved. Years later, he told me it: "..fell off a lorrey.."
and asked if he could get another. No way. He wasn't happy.

"..It's just a EKO in Rudelle's clothing.." I told him..

HE said: "..KOOL..that I can replace.."

WHERE is Dick Rudelle today..?

ME, I enjoyed the early MOI. After Hot Rats, it
went down hill for me. Can't even say why, maybe
because before then, it was the BAND..later, just hired guns.

Mind ya, damn flocking GOOD hired guns.

FZ was one of the most talented human beings that ever lived.

JJTj


BTW..so no one forgets, the info we are STILL looking
for is the amp/PA brand name 'ARB'. Hep me Hep me..


<gotta get me a new KB...or learn how to type..>



God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

[Les Cargill]

Post by It's that Guy again...
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:52:06 -0400, Les Cargill

Post by Les Cargill
That is amazing about that recording (I've heard it a couple
times) is how well controlled frank's voice is. Disciplined
guy, our Franku.

I was blessed to of met FZ a few times, sold him a GMT amp,
gave him a RuDelle guitar, and later, met members of the
original MOI playing as the Grandmothers in RI 2000.
FZ off stage was still very controlled, but very layed back,
and once I told him a joke, and he slapped his knee in
laughter. Reading about him later, THAT action was
the sign that he really found something funny. I
told him a old Goon Show joke. He knew his shit about
gear, more then any other 'icon' I ever met, and I've
met quite a few (concerning gear). And could he play!

Kewl.

Post by It's that Guy again...
He was playing in Boston, and after the show, I went to his
hotel, showed him the 12-string RuDelle acoustic, which was
http://www.fetishguitars.com/html/italiane/misc/rudelle.html
Dick Rudelle bought a shit load of them, and also inported
the dreaded 'Amplipiano' clone of a Fender Rhodes.
Dick and I also demo'd the piano to Duke Ellington at a
outdoor show around Boston. Talk about a I-C-O-N !
But back to FZ. HE took the guitar into a room, and
played the shit out of it, then told me everything
that was 'wrong' with it. He was right. So I offered to give
it to him, he smiled, and said: "..sure.." then gave me passes
to RI later that week, which allowed me to witness the historic
'VOLMAN' joke. I've posted details on zappa.com's forum.
Roger D of the Who also bought, from me, a RuDelle 12-string,
that he loved. Years later, he told me it: "..fell off a lorrey.."
and asked if he could get another. No way. He wasn't happy.
"..It's just a EKO in Rudelle's clothing.." I told him..
HE said: "..KOOL..that I can replace.."
WHERE is Dick Rudelle today..?
ME, I enjoyed the early MOI. After Hot Rats, it
went down hill for me. Can't even say why, maybe
because before then, it was the BAND..later, just hired guns.

It all kinda picks up for me during and after
Hot Rats. There's enough Frank for everybody.
I kind of like the older stuff, especially
WOIIFTM, but my favorite Frank is from then on.

Post by It's that Guy again...
Mind ya, damn flocking GOOD hired guns.

Absolutely. But I think that that way of making
music has been well-proven to work for complex stuff.

Post by It's that Guy again...
FZ was one of the most talented human beings that ever lived.
JJTj
BTW..so no one forgets, the info we are STILL looking
for is the amp/PA brand name 'ARB'. Hep me Hep me..

Sorry man. No clue.

Post by It's that Guy again...
<gotta get me a new KB...or learn how to type..>
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

--
Les Cargill

[boardjunkie]

 The EV
horns used in those cabinets weren't exactly hi-fi;
they were what I used to call "parking lot" horns,
you'd see 'em on phone poles at used car lots,
with 70V line trannies on the back.  Ugh!

Paging horns? Like University Sound stuff? Yech......midrange
squawkers with little high freq content. Yea....that'd sound like
arse....

[LULU]

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hi boyz n girlz.
Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH.  Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time.  Can't wait till next year.
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).
Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used.  You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era.  I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.
Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!
Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog.  Thanks for the help, U all...
JJTj
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

This is a convoluted long-shot, but bear with me. About a thousand
light years ago, Bill DeArango owned a music shop in University
Heights, Ohio. He had several ARB amps that were often used by
jammers that dropped in on Saturdays. I don't know if Bill is still
with us or not. Durango sometimes played with Leroy Markish, a member
of a popular 70’s psychedelic rock band, Henry Tree. Leroy now plays
with Tony Koussa Jr. in his R&B group. The Tony Koussa Jr. Band has a
website. Contact them in order to contact Leroy. Maybe he would know
how to hook you up with Bill and maybe Bill would be able to help you
with your search for ARB info. Like I said, it's a long-shot, but,
just maybe, you'll get results. Why is all this junk floating around
in my head?

Good Luck,
Lulu : )


The Tony Koussa Jr. Band website -
http://www.tonykoussa.com/The_Tony_Koussa_Jr._Band.html

Leroy Markish video clip - "The Doner" -

Bill DeArango "Anything Went" - 1993 -
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/bill_dearango/anything_went/

Henry Tree - "Electric Holy Man" - 1969 -
http://lajso-lajsosoundltd.blogspot.com/2009/07/henry-tree-electric-holy-man-1969.html

[Chuck]

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hi boyz n girlz.
Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH.  Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time.  Can't wait till next year.
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).
Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used.  You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era.  I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.
Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!
Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog.  Thanks for the help, U all...
JJTj
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

This is a convoluted long-shot, but bear with me.  About a thousand
light years ago, Bill DeArango owned a music shop in University
Heights, Ohio.  He had several ARB amps that were often used by
jammers that dropped in on Saturdays.  I don't know if Bill is still
with us or not.  Durango sometimes played with Leroy Markish, a member
of a popular 70’s psychedelic rock band, Henry Tree.  Leroy now plays
with Tony Koussa Jr. in his R&B group.  The Tony Koussa Jr. Band has a
website.  Contact them in order to contact Leroy.  Maybe he would know
how to hook you up with Bill and maybe Bill would be able to help you
with your search for ARB info.  Like I said, it's a long-shot, but,
just maybe, you'll get results.  Why is all this junk floating around
in my head?
Good Luck,
Lulu : )
The Tony Koussa Jr. Band website -http://www.tonykoussa.com/The_Tony_Koussa_Jr._Band.html
Leroy Markish video clip - "The Doner" http://youtu.be/hK78V3WFb-I
Bill DeArango "Anything Went" - 1993 -http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/bill_dearango/anything_went/
Henry Tree - "Electric Holy Man" - 1969 -http://lajso-lajsosoundltd.blogspot.com/2009/07/henry-tree-electric-h...

Gad - I remember the store. It was a little far afield for me, but I
went in to hang around a few times. IIRC the level of jamming that
went on was seriously high. I think I was too intimidated to actually
pick up a guitar in there. I also think Joe Walsh was among the local
guys who hung out there at times.
I remember Glass Harp very well - saw them (and The James Gang) when
they were doing local high school dances. Keaggy got religion and went
to live his life - but they were the kind of band the big guys from
out of town would go see after their gigs. 'Glass Harp' refers to
Keaggy's silky volume knob playing style. He did it better and much,
much faster than anyone had ever heard before.

[It's that Guy again...]

Post by Chuck
Gad - I remember the store.

I think that's what is missing these days. Here I go sounding
like the old fart that I am, but back in the oldfartdays(.com)
one got to be more 'connected' with the gear, due to hanging
around their fav store. In my city, we had Chas Bean,
Union Music, and 'Pruneau's (sp?). CBean rented Traynor
gear for $8 a night. Ya could run up a tab too. Union
started as a pawn shop, but grew into a great store that
is still here today. Pruneau's (sp?) had WALLS of Kustom
and Sunn, selling at 40% off list. We also had other small
stores. J. Martin's (jerry being a awesome player), and
Bill Lee's (one of the greatest guys who ever lived) that
sold used gear at stupid danger low prices. Now, we have
a Daddy's (puke), Kurlan's (great folks), Union, and a GC
(double puke). It just isn't the same. Whole market isn't.

Up north, we had Marlboro Music, that had WALLS of
great gear. I remember seeing Terry Knight & the Pack
play on the showroom floor. Now there is Mr. C's there,
and they are a great store, run by pros, trying to compete
with the GC (puke) crap. It isn't easy. But he does.

I used to skip school to listen to the local players jam in
these stores. Learned how to fix brands like 'GBX' and
the like. Things that don't happen today at GC (puke).

I feel sorry for anyone today looking to enter this field like
us old farts did back in those days. It can't be done.

On the other hand, I remember seeing Glass Harp in Boston,
and they were awesome. Not many bands like that today.

Just ranting..but on topic...for a change..

JJTj





God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...

[New B.]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:26:25 -0400, It's that Guy again...

Post by It's that Guy again...
I feel sorry for anyone today looking to enter this field like
us old farts did back in those days. It can't be done.

Just like our dads and gran-dads said about us, when
we were young. Yet still, there are always some who
will take up the mantle and run with it into the future.

True, it can't be done 'just like in the old daze';
The next generations must function in the 'new daze'
just like we did in our salad daze.

So I say: "Something *new* must be done !".

Change is Constant.
Such is an axiom of life.

Post by It's that Guy again...
Just ranting..but on topic...for a change..
JJTj

Still a good rant for a fellow old farter.
Gawd, weren't those early SSs just horrible ?

Don't forget there were many junk Thermionics
in the so called 'transition/transistor' era.

Funny, can't imagine a tube cell phone... ;^]]

[Paul Babiak]

Post by It's that Guy again...
Hi boyz n girlz.
Just recovering from FRITZMANIA 2010 in NH. Yeah, the weather
sucked, but we all had a GREAT time. Can't wait till next year.
I'm looking for info on the 'ARB' brand of amps and PA systems,
from the midwest somewhere (used to have a catalog, can't find it).
Best known for those 2-15/4 horn flocked blue and white PA cabs
Franz Zappa used. You can see them all over the movie 200 Motels,
and used mainly during that 'Flo n Eddie' era. I remember helping
his roadies stack them when they played Worcester, MA years ago.
Company is long out of biz, Google is no help, So I need help !!!
Will trade info from my multi DVD collection of scanned catalogs
for a scan of the catalog. Thanks for the help, U all...
JJTj

You could try asking on alt.fan.frank-zappa
Lots of very Zappa-knowledgeable folks there.