Cerwin Vega JE-36 vs. SL-36. What is difference?

[floom]

Cerwin Vega JE-36 vs. SL-36. What is difference?
First one costs $500, second $700. And same line AB-36
is $850.
Specification almost same. Where is cut of quality?
In Reliability?

Thank you.
Floom

[liquidator]

Post by floom
Cerwin Vega JE-36 vs. SL-36. What is difference?
First one costs $500, second $700. And same line AB-36
is $850.
Specification almost same. Where is cut of quality?
In Reliability?

While Cerwin Vega's may be reliable they are pretty much a joke in Pro
sound. They tend to be optimized for power handling and not quality. I don't
recommend them. Look at Yorkville for reasonbly priced stuff.

[Gene Sweeny]

Post by floom
Cerwin Vega JE-36 vs. SL-36. What is difference?
First one costs $500, second $700. And same line AB-36
is $850.
Specification almost same. Where is cut of quality?
In Reliability?
Thank you.
Floom

Look at EAW LA-400s. Used, they're about the same price. They'll kick
a CVs butt. Array a few of them... and make sure your shoes tied on
tight. CV stuff isn't awful though, just not worth it when you can get
LA400s cheap.

[Tim Padrick]

Post by Gene Sweeny

Post by floom
Cerwin Vega JE-36 vs. SL-36. What is difference?
First one costs $500, second $700. And same line AB-36
is $850.
Specification almost same. Where is cut of quality?
In Reliability?
Thank you.
Floom

Look at EAW LA-400s. Used, they're about the same price. They'll kick
a CVs butt. Array a few of them... and make sure your shoes tied on
tight. CV stuff isn't awful though, just not worth it when you can get
LA400s cheap.

The cheaper Vega produces one-note bass. The more expensive Vega produces
one note bass that is louder.

Gene's suggestion of the LA400 is a good one. A bridged K2 or PLX2402
should drive a pair very nicely. Another good sub is the Peavey QW218 if
you want deeper bass than the LA400 can offer (albeit at the expense of
efficiency - you'll need a bridged CE4000 per box).

[floom]

Post by Tim Padrick

Post by floom
Cerwin Vega JE-36 vs. SL-36. What is difference?
First one costs $500, second $700. And same line AB-36
is $850.
Specification almost same. Where is cut of quality?
In Reliability?
Thank you.
Floom

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Post by Tim Padrick
The cheaper Vega produces one-note bass. The more expensive Vega produces
one note bass that is louder.

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What physics involved in one-note bass difference? Different geometry
there? Different thickness of plywood? (Is JE thiner? I dont know.)
Different speaker with less magnet? Speaker assembled in Taiwan for
JE? CV website does not tell us. But they indicate weight difference
142 lbs JE and 160 lbs SL and 35 Hz - 300 Hz JE and 30 Hz - 300 Hz SL.
May be JE speaker does not have vent hole? Taken from
http://www.cerwinvega.com/products/newpro/index.html
Floom

[Gene Sweeny]

Post by floom
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Post by Tim Padrick
The cheaper Vega produces one-note bass. The more expensive Vega produces
one note bass that is louder.

(cut)
What physics involved in one-note bass difference? Different geometry
there? Different thickness of plywood? (Is JE thiner? I dont know.)
Different speaker with less magnet? Speaker assembled in Taiwan for
JE? CV website does not tell us. But they indicate weight difference
142 lbs JE and 160 lbs SL and 35 Hz - 300 Hz JE and 30 Hz - 300 Hz SL.
May be JE speaker does not have vent hole? Taken from
http://www.cerwinvega.com/products/newpro/index.html
Floom

Basically the quality of the driver and the shape of the horn. The
LA400 has a proprietary driver manufactured by RCF. It's only 12" and
is of realitively high quality. The horn has a shape to it that is
conducive to slamming some serious bass in your face. The driver in
the CV is an 18. A larger speaker is always harder to control than a
smaller one with respect to "class."

A crappy 12 is no better than a crappy 18. But a well made 12 will be
tighter and punchier than an 18 of equal or lesser quality. The case
here I think, is a pretty good 12" vs a mediocre 18". The RCF driver
probably has a very stiff cone, large voice coil, heavy duty spider
that is very flexible and will withstand years of abuse, and a qualty
cast basket.

Basically, EAW used R&D they spent on more expensive bent bass horns
and used that experience to make a lower priced sub. It's probably 30%
driver and 70% box/horn design to get the performance they do out of
that 12" driver. I just doubt that CV spends the money EAW does on
research and development. CV is mostly about marketing.

I'm not the type to point and laugh at other brands (except for
Kustom... teehee), CV has it's pros and cons... as do all
manufacturers. However, EAW has pretty good resale value and is very
respected. In this area, you can't beat the LA400 for
price/performance. I've seen lots of info in aapls about the the LA400
but this has to be my favorite.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.audio.pro.live-sound/msg/4d470862dc07828d

[floom]

Post by Tim Padrick

Post by floom

Post by Tim Padrick
The cheaper Vega produces one-note bass. The more expensive Vega

produces

Post by floom

Post by Tim Padrick
one note bass that is louder.

(cut)
What physics involved in one-note bass difference? Different geometry
there? Different thickness of plywood? (Is JE thiner? I dont know.)
Different speaker with less magnet? Speaker assembled in Taiwan for
JE? CV website does not tell us. But they indicate weight difference
142 lbs JE and 160 lbs SL and 35 Hz - 300 Hz JE and 30 Hz - 300 Hz

SL.

Post by floom
May be JE speaker does not have vent hole? Taken from
http://www.cerwinvega.com/products/newpro/index.html
Floom

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Post by Tim Padrick
A larger speaker is always harder to control than a
smaller one with respect to "class."

Hard to believe especially for sealed horn JE or SL.
Sounds like propaganda. Please do not separate Driver and Cabinet.
They work together. And any driver is piston for 40-140 Hz (range I am
interested.) and driver's nonlinearity force for diaphragm is not so
drastic as acoustic nonlinearity on distance 1m or even 20m.
Nobody reject spec parameter 106db on 1m for JE-36.
Could not find here physics on Cerwin in the group yet.

Post by Tim Padrick
Basically, EAW used R&D they spent on more expensive bent bass horns
and used that experience to make a lower priced sub.

None word on CV, But sales pressure to EAW becase EAW bents horns
with more $$ involved. Their bent supposedly better because more $$.
Cabinet and horn are synonyms in our case.

Post by Tim Padrick
CV is mostly about marketing.

Not true. Anyway on Web. Propaganda again.
I am still awaiting discussion Cervin's JE-36 vs. SL-36.
Thank you.
Floom

[j***@yahoo.com]

Post by floom
I am still awaiting discussion Cervin's JE-36 vs. SL-36.
Thank you.
Floom

They are both junk.
To be honest, this is synonymous to asking the sports car news groups to
discuss the Yugo station wagon vs the Yugo sedan.

[liquidator]

Floom- basically you are acting very dumb.

Post by floom
None word on CV

Because it is junk and you have been told so.

Post by floom
But sales pressure to EAW becase EAW bents horns
with more $$ involved.

You are being an idiot- none of the people offered to sell you EAW.

Post by floom
Their bent supposedly better because more $$.

More $$$ because it IS better.

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Post by floom

Post by Gene Sweeny
CV is mostly about marketing.

Not true. Anyway on Web. Propaganda again.

If you want to call people here liars I suggest you get the hell out of
here. Your welcome is over. CV is bullshit, plain and simple.

Post by floom
I am still awaiting discussion Cervin's JE-36 vs. SL-36.

And you will not get it. No one here would use such low quality gear.

[Gene Sweeny]

Post by floom
I am still awaiting discussion Cervin's JE-36 vs. SL-36.
Thank you.
Floom

SL-36
pros:
loud

cons:
sounds bad


JE-36
Pros:
lighter

cons:
not quite as loud
sounds worse

Although, this guy seems to like them.
http://www.splsystems.net/clientslivesound.html

[Chad Wahls]

Post by Gene Sweeny
Although, this guy seems to like them.
http://www.splsystems.net/clientslivesound.html

It's a "Jamaican PA" !!!!!!!

Pile as much stuff up in a pyramid as you can, screw calculating coverage,
horn overlap, don't worry about it mon, it's all irie!