Lavalier (?) radio mic and receiver

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other set
of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously both
transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this particular
job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket pitch, ultimate
sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,
Gareth.

What about a cheap PMR radio set. (walkie talkies). Most have some kind
of vox function (voice operated transmision), so he could set the stump
end to vox with a cheap (expendable) clip on mike. Total cost about £50
I use a pair of Motorola as a house doorbell extension when I`m out in
the workshop.

Ron

Gareth Magennis

2011-11-10 12:03:11 UTC

What about a cheap PMR radio set. (walkie talkies). Most have some kind of
vox function (voice operated transmision), so he could set the stump end
to vox with a cheap (expendable) clip on mike. Total cost about £50
I use a pair of Motorola as a house doorbell extension when I`m out in
the workshop.
Ron

Interesting idea.

I'm not a cricketer though, and these "snicks" are presumably when the ball
just touches the stumps but not enough to knock the bales off or cause any
other visual clue.
How loud is this going to be? Would it be enough to actuate the v.o.t.
system, or can you set these for continuous transmission?

Cheers,

Gareth.

Ron

2011-11-10 12:37:20 UTC

What about a cheap PMR radio set. (walkie talkies). Most have some kind of
vox function (voice operated transmision), so he could set the stump end
to vox with a cheap (expendable) clip on mike. Total cost about £50
I use a pair of Motorola as a house doorbell extension when I`m out in
the workshop.
Ron

Interesting idea.
I'm not a cricketer though, and these "snicks" are presumably when the ball
just touches the stumps but not enough to knock the bales off or cause any
other visual clue.
How loud is this going to be? Would it be enough to actuate the v.o.t.
system, or can you set these for continuous transmission?

I have no interest in cricket, but I always presumed that unless the
bails fell off, the batsman stayed in. Maybe it's to indicate whether
the ball 'snicked' the bat? something to do with LBW perhaps.

A stout rubber band or cable tie would set the transmitter end to
continuous, I`m not sure how long the batteries would last mind.

Ron

Gareth Magennis

2011-11-10 12:58:39 UTC

What about a cheap PMR radio set. (walkie talkies). Most have some kind of
vox function (voice operated transmision), so he could set the stump end
to vox with a cheap (expendable) clip on mike. Total cost about £50
I use a pair of Motorola as a house doorbell extension when I`m out in
the workshop.
Ron

Interesting idea.
I'm not a cricketer though, and these "snicks" are presumably when the ball
just touches the stumps but not enough to knock the bales off or cause any
other visual clue.
How loud is this going to be? Would it be enough to actuate the v.o.t.
system, or can you set these for continuous transmission?

I have no interest in cricket, but I always presumed that unless the bails
fell off, the batsman stayed in. Maybe it's to indicate whether the ball
'snicked' the bat? something to do with LBW perhaps.
A stout rubber band or cable tie would set the transmitter end to
continuous, I`m not sure how long the batteries would last mind.
Ron

Yeah I think you're probably right about the snick being the bat thing.
Means you are liable to be caught out too.

Cheers,

Gareth.

Phil Allison

2011-11-10 21:45:34 UTC

"Gareth Magennis"

Post by Gareth Magennis
Interesting idea.

** Batteries will not last nearly long enough.

Post by Gareth Magennis
I'm not a cricketer though, and these "snicks" are presumably when the
ball just touches the stumps but not enough to knock the bales off or
cause any other visual clue.

** Not out, unless one bail comes off.

.... Phil

Bob Howes

2011-11-10 13:05:27 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other
set of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously
both transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this
particular job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket pitch,
ultimate sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,

Sennheiser Freeport, Trantec S4 and Shure PG wireless systems would all fit
within your budget. However, I suspect you'd also have to budget for a
higher gain directional antenna on the receiver rather than the supplied
half wave ones when I consider the size of most cricket pitches.

Bob

Post by Gareth Magennis
Gareth.

Gareth Magennis

2011-11-10 13:09:29 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other
set of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously
both transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this
particular job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket pitch,
ultimate sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,

Sennheiser Freeport, Trantec S4 and Shure PG wireless systems would all
fit within your budget. However, I suspect you'd also have to budget for
a higher gain directional antenna on the receiver rather than the supplied
half wave ones when I consider the size of most cricket pitches.
Bob

Post by Gareth Magennis
Gareth.

All of these have receivers that plug into the mains, I believe.

I need a walkie talkie type battery powered situation out in the field.

Cheers,

Gareth.

Bob Howes

2011-11-10 16:26:11 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other
set of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously
both transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this
particular job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket
pitch, ultimate sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,

Sennheiser Freeport, Trantec S4 and Shure PG wireless systems would all
fit within your budget. However, I suspect you'd also have to budget for
a higher gain directional antenna on the receiver rather than the
supplied half wave ones when I consider the size of most cricket pitches.
Bob

Post by Gareth Magennis
Gareth.

All of these have receivers that plug into the mains, I believe.
I need a walkie talkie type battery powered situation out in the field.
Cheers,
Gareth.

There are models of radio mics designed for video/film use that work on
battery powered packs but they tend to be more expensive than the bargan
basement ones I've mentioned.

However, I have heard of people using IEM receivers with radio mic
transmitters from the same manufacturers--I've never tried this myself but,
in the same frequency range, it should work.

geoff

2011-11-11 11:39:46 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
All of these have receivers that plug into the mains, I believe.
I need a walkie talkie type battery powered situation out in the field.

tHERE ARE MANY WITH BATTERY-POWERED BELTPACK RECEIVERS TOO. aND EVEN MOST
OF THE DESKTOP box receivers work of a mere 12v.

Soort about the capslock.

geoff

geoff

2011-11-11 21:59:33 UTC

Post by geoff

Post by Gareth Magennis
All of these have receivers that plug into the mains, I believe.
I need a walkie talkie type battery powered situation out in the field.

tHERE ARE MANY WITH BATTERY-POWERED BELTPACK RECEIVERS TOO. aND EVEN
MOST OF THE DESKTOP box receivers work of a mere 12v.
Soort about the capslock.
geoff

AKG PT40 (Pocket Transmitter) with lav, and PR40 (Pocket Receiver) are
economical range wireless sets that would achieve what you want. Or an
older PT80 / PR80 set.

I'm sure most other brands have equivalents. They are mainstream devices
which should not be hard to find.

geoff

Gareth Magennis

2011-11-10 13:21:34 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other
set of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously
both transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this
particular job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket pitch,
ultimate sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,

Sennheiser Freeport, Trantec S4 and Shure PG wireless systems would all
fit within your budget. However, I suspect you'd also have to budget for
a higher gain directional antenna on the receiver rather than the supplied
half wave ones when I consider the size of most cricket pitches.
Bob

Or rather something like a lavalier system at one end of the pitch, with the
umpire wearing an In Ear Monitoring belt pack at the other end of the pitch.

Gareth.

Ron

2011-11-10 13:38:06 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other
set of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously
both transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this
particular job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket pitch,
ultimate sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,

Sennheiser Freeport, Trantec S4 and Shure PG wireless systems would all
fit within your budget. However, I suspect you'd also have to budget for
a higher gain directional antenna on the receiver rather than the supplied
half wave ones when I consider the size of most cricket pitches.
Bob

Or rather something like a lavalier system at one end of the pitch, with the
umpire wearing an In Ear Monitoring belt pack at the other end of the pitch.
Gareth.

A Sennheiser Lav set and a Sennheiser in ear set would do but would be
way outside the budget. Perhaps you could buy a transmitter beltpack,
and an In-ear receiver beltpack without the corresponding mains powered
transmitter and receiver?

The mains powered units will run off a 12volt battery btw.

Ron

Gareth Magennis

2011-11-10 13:50:04 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other
set of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously
both transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this
particular job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket pitch,
ultimate sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,

Sennheiser Freeport, Trantec S4 and Shure PG wireless systems would all
fit within your budget. However, I suspect you'd also have to budget for
a higher gain directional antenna on the receiver rather than the supplied
half wave ones when I consider the size of most cricket pitches.
Bob

Or rather something like a lavalier system at one end of the pitch, with the
umpire wearing an In Ear Monitoring belt pack at the other end of the pitch.
Gareth.

A Sennheiser Lav set and a Sennheiser in ear set would do but would be way
outside the budget. Perhaps you could buy a transmitter beltpack, and an
In-ear receiver beltpack without the corresponding mains powered
transmitter and receiver?
The mains powered units will run off a 12volt battery btw.
Ron

Yes, I was hoping there would be some system out there for just this job, so
that a Lav set could talk directly to an IEM beltpack with no need to buy
any base stations.

Surely such a thing exists?

Cheers,

Gareth.

Ron

2011-11-10 14:14:48 UTC

Post by Gareth Magennis
Hi,
I have someone who wants to attatch a small microphone (or other
transducer?) to cricket stumps, and to have the umpire behind the other
set of stumps be able to hear this mic, to detect "snicks". Obviously
both transmitter and receiver must be battery operated.
Are there any comms systems/radio mics out there that can do this
particular job? Distance only needs to be the length of a cricket pitch,
ultimate sound quality not really an issue!
The guy seems happy to pay at least £300 if he can get what he wants.
Cheers,

Sennheiser Freeport, Trantec S4 and Shure PG wireless systems would all
fit within your budget. However, I suspect you'd also have to budget for
a higher gain directional antenna on the receiver rather than the supplied
half wave ones when I consider the size of most cricket pitches.
Bob

Or rather something like a lavalier system at one end of the pitch, with the
umpire wearing an In Ear Monitoring belt pack at the other end of the pitch.
Gareth.

A Sennheiser Lav set and a Sennheiser in ear set would do but would be way
outside the budget. Perhaps you could buy a transmitter beltpack, and an
In-ear receiver beltpack without the corresponding mains powered
transmitter and receiver?
The mains powered units will run off a 12volt battery btw.
Ron

Yes, I was hoping there would be some system out there for just this job, so
that a Lav set could talk directly to an IEM beltpack with no need to buy
any base stations.
Surely such a thing exists?

Well that's how a lot of street entertainers do it when relying on
battery powered systems. (and so called clairvoyants!)

Anyway, I thought that was the job of the guy squatting behind the
stumps - Wicket keeper is it?

Richard Webb

2011-11-10 21:31:15 UTC

FOlks,

Maybe I'm a little dense here, but am wondering how umpires
in cricket determine whatever fault this one seeks to find
with a radio mic before they had such things.

Not at all familiar with the game, but would think if this
were a common need for umpires there would be commonly known solutions within those providing services to the sport.

Regards,
Richard
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Joe Kotroczo

2011-11-10 21:12:46 UTC

Post by Richard Webb
FOlks,
Maybe I'm a little dense here, but am wondering how umpires
in cricket determine whatever fault this one seeks to find
with a radio mic before they had such things.
Not at all familiar with the game, but would think if this
were a common need for umpires there would be commonly known solutions within those providing services to the sport.

I'm thinking this is not for "proper" cricket.

Have a look here:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_cricket>

It has this rule:

"Automatic Wickie, Electric wicket-keeper, or electronic wicket-keeper,
automatic wicket-keeper, or auto-wiky - a rule which states that if a
batsman "snicks", or edges, the ball so it goes to where a wicket-keeper
might have been able to catch him out, then the batsman is out,
regardless of the fact that he was not physically caught out."

In "proper" cricket, played with a complete team, you'd not need it as
you'd have a real wicket-keeper.

--
Illegitimi non carborundum

Phil Allison

2011-11-10 21:54:02 UTC

"Richard Webb"

Post by Richard Webb
Maybe I'm a little dense here, but am wondering how umpires
in cricket determine whatever fault this one seeks to find
with a radio mic before they had such things.

** Just use their eyes and ears.

Any such noise must coincide with the ball passing very close to the bat or
it is not valid.

Post by Richard Webb
Not at all familiar with the game, but would think if this
were a common need for umpires there would be commonly known solutions
within those providing services to the sport.

** Test matches have use "stump cams" and "stump mics" for a while now.

But the images and sound are not available to the umpire on the field.

... Phil

Phil Allison

2011-11-10 22:05:15 UTC