New DJ Rig

[DJ TecThreat]

I havent bought everything yet, but i'm building it up and a good deal of
the stuff is already bought.

I know some of you guys are going to think this is a junk setup for live
sound but remember its for djing, parties, weddings, etc... sometimes
outdoors, mostly indoors.

Mixer - Allen & Heath Xone:464
CD Players - (2) Numark CDN-90 (four cd players total)
Processing (1) - Ashly GQX-3102 31-band stereo
Processing (2) - Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496
Mains Amp (1) - QSC PLX-3002
Mains Amp (2) - QSC PLX-3002
Lows Amp (1) - QSC RMX-2450
Lows Amp (2) - QSC RMX-2450
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V

Some of this stuff is bought, some is not.
I'd like some critque for the setup.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[Phildo]

Post by DJ TecThreat
I'd like some critque for the setup.

Why do you have the Ashley graphic? There's EQ on the ultradrive. You could
always get yourself the ultracurve as well since the two make a pretty
formidable package together.

Also, what do you use for monitors?

Other than that it seems a pretty decent rig for a DJ. Personally I would
have got powersofts instead of the QSCs because they sound great and are
easy to lug about.

Phildo

[DJ TecThreat]

Post by Phildo
Why do you have the Ashley graphic? There's EQ on the ultradrive. You could
always get yourself the ultracurve as well since the two make a pretty
formidable package together.

Well the ashly is going on the mic mix (four mics) to get rid of feedback,
that and i already own one.

Post by Phildo
Also, what do you use for monitors?

Alot of times i dont need monitors, but if i do i use them goofy fender
powered ones becuase i already have 2 of them and they're easy to move
around and use. Good example of a time i need monitors is if the speakers
are further away from where i'm setup or if i'm running karaoke, i use a
monitor for the instrumental mix.

Post by Phildo
Other than that it seems a pretty decent rig for a DJ. Personally I would
have got powersofts instead of the QSCs because they sound great and are
easy to lug about.

Alot of djs run pretty shitey stuff in their rigs like a pair of JBL eons
and a homemade 12 inch car sub. This is why i'm running the Turbosound
stuff, becuase i know it will blow these socalled djs right out of the water
with some real SQ.

and about the QSC's, the problem is money. I get good prices on QSC stuff
and i already own the RMX's.

Post by Phildo
Phildo

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[Kurt Albershardt]

Post by DJ TecThreat
...
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
...
I'd like some critque for the setup.

Why 15" low-mids instead of 12's ?

[DJ TecThreat]

Post by Kurt Albershardt

Post by DJ TecThreat
...
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
...
I'd like some critque for the setup.

Why 15" low-mids instead of 12's ?

Would 12"s be better?

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[Dan Gruner]

Post by DJ TecThreat

Post by Kurt Albershardt

Post by DJ TecThreat
...
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
...
I'd like some critque for the setup.

Why 15" low-mids instead of 12's ?

Would 12"s be better?
DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

12's will tend to have a bit smoother, more "perky" midrange performance
than 15's, but you can get still get very very good performance from a
**quality** 15+horn cab - my EV RX115's are simply fantastic and I use them
for a wide variety of jobs from DJ's to vocal PA work. The other advantage
of going down the 15+horn route, is that it will offer you greater bass
extension if you use them on there own without a sub (for smaller jobs for
example) If however, you are always going to part your tops with subs, then
I would go for the 12's, even a double 12+horn (not sure if the Turbosound
range you are interested in do this configuration)

I would consider replacing the Yamaha subs when you can afford to....and
getting red of the RMX 2450's - never thought they were much good for
driving sub's..

Dan

www.loudevents.com

[Kurt Albershardt]

Post by Dan Gruner

Post by DJ TecThreat

Post by Kurt Albershardt

Post by DJ TecThreat
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using
custom made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V

Why 15" low-mids instead of 12's ?

Would 12"s be better?

12's will tend to have a bit smoother, more "perky" midrange performance
than 15's, but you can get still get very very good performance from a
**quality** 15+horn cab - my EV RX115's are simply fantastic and I use them
for a wide variety of jobs from DJ's to vocal PA work. The other advantage
of going down the 15+horn route, is that it will offer you greater bass
extension if you use them on there own without a sub (for smaller jobs for
example) If however, you are always going to part your tops with subs, then
I would go for the 12's, even a double 12+horn (not sure if the Turbosound
range you are interested in do this configuration)

Yeah, what he said, and...

Regularly lifting a 12+horn compared to a 15+horn could make the difference between a happy back and an unhappy one.

Double 12 + horn will be more stable on the stand than two separate cabs will, at the cost of more weight--consider a stand with a clutch like the Ultimate TS90 has.





I'm heading for 10" mid-highs due to the weight savings and higher crossover point. They'll be used alone for spoken word stuff and acoustic, coupled with subs for anything else.

[Kurt Albershardt]

Post by Kurt Albershardt
Regularly lifting a 12+horn compared to a 15+horn could make the
difference between a happy back and an unhappy one.

44 lbs for the TXD-121 versus 62 lbs for the TXD-151.

Turbosound offers a 2x15 but not (apparently yet) a 2x12 in the TXD series.

[John S. Shinal]

Post by Dan Gruner
I would consider replacing the Yamaha subs when you can afford to....and
getting red of the RMX 2450's - never thought they were much good for
driving sub's..

They'll certainly do for the time being - I've heard DJ
material thoroughly shake a big room with a pair of the 218s. They can
sound pretty tight, and go low enough.



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[Ralph Staub]

Post by DJ TecThreat
I havent bought everything yet, but i'm building it up and a good deal of
the stuff is already bought.
I know some of you guys are going to think this is a junk setup for live
sound but remember its for djing, parties, weddings, etc... sometimes
outdoors, mostly indoors.
Mixer - Allen & Heath Xone:464
CD Players - (2) Numark CDN-90 (four cd players total)
Processing (1) - Ashly GQX-3102 31-band stereo
Processing (2) - Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496
Mains Amp (1) - QSC PLX-3002
Mains Amp (2) - QSC PLX-3002
Lows Amp (1) - QSC RMX-2450
Lows Amp (2) - QSC RMX-2450
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
Some of this stuff is bought, some is not.
I'd like some critque for the setup.

Looks acceptable for a DJ rig. Like Phildo said, the Ashly seems
superfluous. I admittedly tend to be a minimalist as far as signal chain
goes however. The RMX and PLX have somewhat similar specs, so I'm
assuming you own one and are buying the other. While more expensive, the
PLX may save you more money on chiropractic bills.

I'm not a big fan of more than 100 lbs. on a USS stand, but USS says 150
is OK. Remember that once you customize a support design, you are likely
to become lible for it's performance. When you use an off the shelf
solution, responsibility for 'proper use' failure may be shared or even
passed on to the manufacturer in the event of an accident.

Ralph

[DJ TecThreat]

Post by Ralph Staub
Looks acceptable for a DJ rig. Like Phildo said, the Ashly seems
superfluous. I admittedly tend to be a minimalist as far as signal chain
goes however. The RMX and PLX have somewhat similar specs, so I'm
assuming you own one and are buying the other. While more expensive, the
PLX may save you more money on chiropractic bills.

The ashly is going on the vocal mix exclusivley to get rid of feedback with
effecting the entire mix. If this seems kind of pointless, let me know..
The ashly can go in another rig for something else. I'm not too
concerned with the weight of the amps for the most part. i'm a big guy and
if i hated moving gear i woud've got a desk job. My main case with my mixer
and cd players is 18spaces (slant) on top and another 10 on bottom, this
case easilly weighs 200lbs+ with gear and i have no trouble moving it
despite is large aqward size.

Post by Ralph Staub
I'm not a big fan of more than 100 lbs. on a USS stand, but USS says 150
is OK. Remember that once you customize a support design, you are likely
to become lible for it's performance. When you use an off the shelf
solution, responsibility for 'proper use' failure may be shared or even
passed on to the manufacturer in the event of an accident.

The stands i have are rated for 200lbs and i found a company that
manufacturers the double header adapter i was going to make my self.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[Ralph Staub]

Post by DJ TecThreat
The ashly is going on the vocal mix exclusivley to get rid of feedback with
effecting the entire mix. If this seems kind of pointless, let me know..

Your mixer has 4 band sweepable mids on the mono inputs, so I'd see if
you really needed it before making a decision either way.

Post by DJ TecThreat
I'm not too
concerned with the weight of the amps for the most part. i'm a big guy

Hmmm, The bigger they are... Anyway, to each his own. I'm too old to be
tough about it any more. ;-)

Post by DJ TecThreat
The stands i have are rated for 200lbs and i found a company that
manufacturers the double header adapter i was going to make my self.

There's your answer. Always better when you can say "I paid them for a
safe solution and implemented it as instructed."

Ralph

[John S. Shinal]

Post by Ralph Staub
There's your answer. Always better when you can say "I paid them for a
safe solution and implemented it as instructed."

Even at that, it could be worth giving it a test to see if a
good shove will tip it over. Drunk people do the strangest things at
gigs...




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[Tim Padrick]

The Yamaha subs have a reputation of being lackluster boxes. Since no law
says you have to use two boxes, one often works better (see the first link
on http://www.padrick.net/LiveSound/SubwooferInfo.htm), and a 2x18 is a lot
cheaper than a pair of 1x18 boxes (as it costs almost as much to build the
small box as the big one - the 2nd driver is the main $ difference), I'd go
with the Peavey QW218 that was highly rated at the NY Subwoofer Shootout.
I'd push it with a bridged CE4000.

Post by DJ TecThreat
I havent bought everything yet, but i'm building it up and a good deal of
the stuff is already bought.
I know some of you guys are going to think this is a junk setup for live
sound but remember its for djing, parties, weddings, etc... sometimes
outdoors, mostly indoors.
Mixer - Allen & Heath Xone:464
CD Players - (2) Numark CDN-90 (four cd players total)
Processing (1) - Ashly GQX-3102 31-band stereo
Processing (2) - Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496
Mains Amp (1) - QSC PLX-3002
Mains Amp (2) - QSC PLX-3002
Lows Amp (1) - QSC RMX-2450
Lows Amp (2) - QSC RMX-2450
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
Some of this stuff is bought, some is not.
I'd like some critque for the setup.
DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[DJ TecThreat]

I cant only use 1 sub. I need to pack some serious low end for school
dances, etc.. and my experience with a single sub has only showed me that
it wasnt enough. If money was allowing i would get something that packed an
even lower punch, and more of it. (4+ subs).

Any recommendations?

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

Post by Tim Padrick
The Yamaha subs have a reputation of being lackluster boxes. Since no law
says you have to use two boxes, one often works better (see the first link
on http://www.padrick.net/LiveSound/SubwooferInfo.htm), and a 2x18 is a lot
cheaper than a pair of 1x18 boxes (as it costs almost as much to build the
small box as the big one - the 2nd driver is the main $ difference), I'd go
with the Peavey QW218 that was highly rated at the NY Subwoofer Shootout.
I'd push it with a bridged CE4000.

Post by DJ TecThreat
I havent bought everything yet, but i'm building it up and a good deal of
the stuff is already bought.
I know some of you guys are going to think this is a junk setup for live
sound but remember its for djing, parties, weddings, etc... sometimes
outdoors, mostly indoors.
Mixer - Allen & Heath Xone:464
CD Players - (2) Numark CDN-90 (four cd players total)
Processing (1) - Ashly GQX-3102 31-band stereo
Processing (2) - Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496
Mains Amp (1) - QSC PLX-3002
Mains Amp (2) - QSC PLX-3002
Lows Amp (1) - QSC RMX-2450
Lows Amp (2) - QSC RMX-2450
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
Some of this stuff is bought, some is not.
I'd like some critque for the setup.
DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[Phildo]

Post by DJ TecThreat
I cant only use 1 sub. I need to pack some serious low end for school
dances, etc.. and my experience with a single sub has only showed me that
it wasnt enough. If money was allowing i would get something that packed an
even lower punch, and more of it. (4+ subs).

OK, first of all stop with the top-posting.

Second of all read what Tim posted again and see where you've gone wrong.

Phildo

[DJ TecThreat]

Post by Phildo

Post by DJ TecThreat
I cant only use 1 sub. I need to pack some serious low end for school
dances, etc.. and my experience with a single sub has only showed me

that

Post by DJ TecThreat
it wasnt enough. If money was allowing i would get something that

packed

Post by Phildo
an

Post by DJ TecThreat
even lower punch, and more of it. (4+ subs).

OK, first of all stop with the top-posting.
Second of all read what Tim posted again and see where you've gone wrong.
Phildo

I'm replying where people have replyed, thats not top posting.

I have used 1 sub before and it was simply not enough for the large areas i
have to fill with sound. One sub in a large venue in one of the corners is
not enough for a crowd of 600+. I know bass frequencies are
non-directional but if my sub is rated at 2000watts and i'm driving it close
to that (tuned at somewhere near 80hz) and i walk 30 feet away from it
(indoors) and the base is weak then theres a problem for me becuase i need
to fill the entire venue with bass. In a similar experiment where i was
running 2 of that sub with the same amount of wattage into them (close to
the rated 2000watts) and i walked away from my setup (once again about 30
feet) the bass had more coverage and thats what i need.

If you can recommend a way for me to cover an entire venue (600+ people)
with some serious low end with one sub, i'd like to know how. I read Tom's
page about subs and it didnt appear to help my situation (maybe i'm missing
something) but i noticed the links for the Bassmaxx and LAB subs and i
checked those out.

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[Kurt Albershardt]

Post by DJ TecThreat
I have used 1 sub before and it was simply not enough for the large areas i
have to fill with sound. One sub in a large venue in one of the corners is
not enough for a crowd of 600+. I know bass frequencies are
non-directional but if my sub is rated at 2000watts and i'm driving it close
to that (tuned at somewhere near 80hz) and i walk 30 feet away from it
(indoors) and the base is weak then theres a problem for me becuase i need
to fill the entire venue with bass. In a similar experiment where i was
running 2 of that sub with the same amount of wattage into them (close to
the rated 2000watts) and i walked away from my setup (once again about 30
feet) the bass had more coverage and thats what i need.

When you excite the room from two locations rather than one you generally get a more even distribution of room modes. There are some cases where you could have both subs near maxima or minima and get a bigger problem at one particular frequency--but these are unlikely, especially if you avoid perfect symmetry.

[Phildo]

Post by DJ TecThreat

Post by Phildo
OK, first of all stop with the top-posting.
Second of all read what Tim posted again and see where you've gone wrong.
Phildo

I'm replying where people have replyed, thats not top posting.

No, you were replying at the top of the previous post. That's not how it's
done here and for good reason.

Post by DJ TecThreat
I have used 1 sub before and it was simply not enough for the large areas i
have to fill with sound. One sub in a large venue in one of the corners is
not enough for a crowd of 600+. I know bass frequencies are
non-directional but if my sub is rated at 2000watts and i'm driving it close
to that (tuned at somewhere near 80hz) and i walk 30 feet away from it
(indoors) and the base is weak then theres a problem for me becuase i need
to fill the entire venue with bass. In a similar experiment where i was
running 2 of that sub with the same amount of wattage into them (close to
the rated 2000watts) and i walked away from my setup (once again about 30
feet) the bass had more coverage and thats what i need.
If you can recommend a way for me to cover an entire venue (600+ people)
with some serious low end with one sub, i'd like to know how. I read Tom's
page about subs and it didnt appear to help my situation (maybe i'm missing
something) but i noticed the links for the Bassmaxx and LAB subs and i
checked those out.

Tim explained it all in his post. A 2x18 will give you as much power as 2
single 18s but be more compact and easier to carry around. He even gave you
the sub to look out for.

Phildo

[Les]

"DJ TecThreat" <beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM> wrote in message

Post by DJ TecThreat
If you can recommend a way for me to cover an entire venue (600+ people)
with some serious low end with one sub, i'd like to know how. I read Tom's
page about subs and it didnt appear to help my situation (maybe i'm

missing

Post by DJ TecThreat
something) but i noticed the links for the Bassmaxx and LAB subs and i
checked those out.

Tim explained it all in his post. A 2x18 will give you as much power as 2
single 18s but be more compact and easier to carry around. He even gave you
the sub to look out for.
Phildo

But right now he already has 2 Dual 18's, and although they are not the best
2 18 boxes that are out there they should be more than adequate for his DJ
work. I wouldn't worry about new subs right now until you can pay off what
you are already buying.

Les

[Phildo]

Post by Les
But right now he already has 2 Dual 18's, and although they are not the best
2 18 boxes that are out there they should be more than adequate for his DJ
work. I wouldn't worry about new subs right now until you can pay off what
you are already buying.

He could change those two for one more efficient sub, save an awful lot of
backache and space in the truck.

Phildo

[Les]

Post by Phildo

Post by Les
But right now he already has 2 Dual 18's, and although they are not the

best

Post by Les
2 18 boxes that are out there they should be more than adequate for his DJ
work. I wouldn't worry about new subs right now until you can pay off what
you are already buying.

He could change those two for one more efficient sub, save an awful lot of
backache and space in the truck.
Phildo

Having no experience with the subs that Tim referenced too, other than
reading about them, what would be their actual output and comparison to
quality 18s in the same limitations? As in directly in place of the 18s, no
corner loading only loading with the stage deck. Right now we are using
Meyer 650Ps and they are incredible. I see that servodrive claims that the 4
Bassmaxx 7 will equal the output of 9 dual 18 boxes. Personally I find it
hard to believe that 4 Basstechs will outperform 9 of those Meyer boxes, but
I could be wrong. Anyone actually done a real world comparison?

Back to the other rig. He has 2 dual 18 boxes now. If he sells them used we
can be generous and say he can get $600 per box. The only price online
(albeit I didn't search long) was from Bassmaxx's website for $1700 for one
B-one. Will he get more output for DJing out of that one in probably less
than ideal circumstances? And is it worth it?

Les

[DJ TecThreat]

I was also considering one of these (http://www.bassmaxx.com/b2.html) but i
dont know how much they cost or if they're as good as they say.. Any
thoughts?

DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

Post by Tim Padrick
The Yamaha subs have a reputation of being lackluster boxes. Since no law
says you have to use two boxes, one often works better (see the first link
on http://www.padrick.net/LiveSound/SubwooferInfo.htm), and a 2x18 is a lot
cheaper than a pair of 1x18 boxes (as it costs almost as much to build the
small box as the big one - the 2nd driver is the main $ difference), I'd go
with the Peavey QW218 that was highly rated at the NY Subwoofer Shootout.
I'd push it with a bridged CE4000.

Post by DJ TecThreat
I havent bought everything yet, but i'm building it up and a good deal of
the stuff is already bought.
I know some of you guys are going to think this is a junk setup for live
sound but remember its for djing, parties, weddings, etc... sometimes
outdoors, mostly indoors.
Mixer - Allen & Heath Xone:464
CD Players - (2) Numark CDN-90 (four cd players total)
Processing (1) - Ashly GQX-3102 31-band stereo
Processing (2) - Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496
Mains Amp (1) - QSC PLX-3002
Mains Amp (2) - QSC PLX-3002
Lows Amp (1) - QSC RMX-2450
Lows Amp (2) - QSC RMX-2450
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
Some of this stuff is bought, some is not.
I'd like some critque for the setup.
DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

[Pasi Kokkonen]

Post by DJ TecThreat
I was also considering one of these (http://www.bassmaxx.com/b2.html) but i
dont know how much they cost or if they're as good as they say.. Any
thoughts?
DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

http://www.servodrive.com/basstech7.html

[g***@ikmultimedia.com]

Post by DJ TecThreat
I havent bought everything yet, but i'm building it up and a good deal of
the stuff is already bought.
I know some of you guys are going to think this is a junk setup for live
sound but remember its for djing, parties, weddings, etc... sometimes
outdoors, mostly indoors.
Mixer - Allen & Heath Xone:464
CD Players - (2) Numark CDN-90 (four cd players total)
Processing (1) - Ashly GQX-3102 31-band stereo
Processing (2) - Behringer Ultradrive Pro DCX2496
Mains Amp (1) - QSC PLX-3002
Mains Amp (2) - QSC PLX-3002
Lows Amp (1) - QSC RMX-2450
Lows Amp (2) - QSC RMX-2450
Mains Speakers - (4) Turbosound TXD-151s on sticks (i'll be using custom
made pole extensions so 1 tripod can hold 2 speakers)
Subs - (2) Yamaha SW218V
Some of this stuff is bought, some is not.
I'd like some critque for the setup.
DJ TecThreat
The Real Threat

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