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OT: DILUTE fog juice with H20??
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Seymour Pohrn
2003-10-05 20:46:59 UTC
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I've got a $100 fogger, Dynofog II, which uses a water-based fog juice.
Even when it only "puffs" slightly, the fog is too thick for my tastes. Is
it possible to slightly dilute the fluid with distilled water to thin out
the fog?

I don't want to have to fork out much more $$$ for a misting machine, which
are much more expensive.

Thanks.
Jason Lavoie
2003-10-05 21:05:25 UTC
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Post by Seymour Pohrn
I've got a $100 fogger, Dynofog II, which uses a water-based fog juice.
Even when it only "puffs" slightly, the fog is too thick for my tastes. Is
it possible to slightly dilute the fluid with distilled water to thin out
the fog?
I don't want to have to fork out much more $$$ for a misting machine, which
are much more expensive.
Thanks.
I'm not sure if that would work, but most fog manufacturers do make
lower density fog fluids. a lot of places don't stock it because
almost nobody wants less fog.

Jason
oldsoundguy
2003-10-05 21:37:29 UTC
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Post by Seymour Pohrn
I've got a $100 fogger, Dynofog II, which uses a water-based fog juice.
Even when it only "puffs" slightly, the fog is too thick for my tastes. Is
it possible to slightly dilute the fluid with distilled water to thin out
the fog?
I don't want to have to fork out much more $$$ for a misting machine, which
are much more expensive.
Thanks.
oil based fog juice screws up the audio and lighting equipment .. it
puts a film of oil on everything on the stage .. IMO, when I see some
band haul out one of those "insect foggers" that smell like bug juice
.. I give them a choice .. fog or sound .. take your pick ... it is
MUCH cheaper to build your own CO2 generator (uses dry ice and
water!!) .. they work and they don't screw up the equipment so badly
that everything has to be scrubbed down with alcohol.
Timo Wildschut
2003-10-05 22:44:44 UTC
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If the fog is too thick for you, try using a fan in front of the fogger.
This will give you a more haze effect.

Timo
Post by Seymour Pohrn
I've got a $100 fogger, Dynofog II, which uses a water-based fog juice.
Even when it only "puffs" slightly, the fog is too thick for my tastes. Is
it possible to slightly dilute the fluid with distilled water to thin out
the fog?
I don't want to have to fork out much more $$$ for a misting machine, which
are much more expensive.
Thanks.
Mike Borkhuis
2003-10-05 23:52:17 UTC
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Post by Timo Wildschut
If the fog is too thick for you, try using a fan in front of
the fogger. This will give you a more haze effect.
Or just use a hazer... =)

Mike Borkhuis
***@rochester.rr.com
Audio Images Sound & Lighting, Inc.
www.audioimagesonline.com
tim perry
2003-10-05 23:46:44 UTC
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Post by Seymour Pohrn
I've got a $100 fogger, Dynofog II, which uses a water-based fog juice.
Even when it only "puffs" slightly, the fog is too thick for my tastes.
Is
Post by Seymour Pohrn
it possible to slightly dilute the fluid with distilled water to thin out
the fog?
I don't want to have to fork out much more $$$ for a misting machine, which
are much more expensive.
Thanks.
all the fog machines that i have worked on use fog fluid that is based on
glycol. (like what's in radiator anti freeze)

it is normal practice to clean the units by running water in place of the
fog juice. (or distilled water if you are a fanatic)

the main reason for using fog is to make beams of effect lighting or lasers
visible.

some clubs cut their fluid mix in an attempt to save $ and reduce clogging.
it is recommended that distilled water be used in this case.

how this helps is inconclusive as the DJ just lays on the button more.
however it does work and seems to cause no ill effects to the equipment.
Mike Borkhuis
2003-10-05 23:54:49 UTC
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Post by tim perry
the main reason for using fog is to make beams of effect lighting
or lasers visible.
True.... The only problem is that fog hugs the floor. Most people are
now using hazers to fill the room with haze to make the light beams visible.

Mike Borkhuis
***@rochester.rr.com
Audio Images Sound & Lighting, Inc.
www.audioimagesonline.com
Tim Scott
2003-10-05 23:58:50 UTC
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Post by Mike Borkhuis
Post by tim perry
the main reason for using fog is to make beams of effect lighting
or lasers visible.
True.... The only problem is that fog hugs the floor. Most people are
now using hazers to fill the room with haze to make the light beams visible.
Or a combination of the two ... hazers for general room and stage filling,
and foggers for when heavy stuff is needed on stage.
Mike Borkhuis
2003-10-06 00:17:32 UTC
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Post by Tim Scott
Post by Mike Borkhuis
Post by tim perry
the main reason for using fog is to make beams of effect
lighting or lasers visible.
True.... The only problem is that fog hugs the floor. Most
people are now using hazers to fill the room with haze to
make the light beams visible.
Or a combination of the two ... hazers for general room and stage
filling, and foggers for when heavy stuff is needed on stage.
Reminds me of a rig I saw at a local festival. The lighting company had
a DF-50 (hazer), a F-100 (fogger) and a fan strapped to the top of a case.
It was all setup to run off DMX so the band's LD could have haze or fog as
needed remotely controled from the lighting console.

Mike Borkhuis
***@rochester.rr.com
Audio Images Sound & Lighting, Inc.
www.audioimagesonline.com
Tim Scott
2003-10-06 00:30:11 UTC
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Post by Tim Scott
Post by Mike Borkhuis
Post by tim perry
the main reason for using fog is to make beams of effect
lighting or lasers visible.
True.... The only problem is that fog hugs the floor. Most
people are now using hazers to fill the room with haze to
make the light beams visible.
Or a combination of the two ... hazers for general room and stage
filling, and foggers for when heavy stuff is needed on stage.
Reminds me of a rig I saw at a local festival. The lighting company had
a DF-50 (hazer), a F-100 (fogger) and a fan strapped to the top of a case.
It was all setup to run off DMX so the band's LD could have haze or fog as
needed remotely controled from the lighting console.
Yeah, most set ups I see (on land and at sea) have the foggers and hazers
running off DMX from the LX console.
Not seen a fan running off DMX yet, though wouldn't be hard, as you'd just
get it's power feed from a dimmer channel.

I remember when i had job at a holiday resort, in the booth i had angle
poise lamps above my desk, which i'd put on a dimme switch, and i often
thought about using another dimmer switch to run my fan off, but never got
round to it.
Mike Borkhuis
2003-10-06 00:36:09 UTC
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Post by Tim Scott
Not seen a fan running off DMX yet, though wouldn't be hard, as
you'd just get it's power feed from a dimmer channel.
Depends on the fan motor. In the case of the setup I saw, they simply
had the fan on a DMX relay for simple on/off control.

Mike Borkhuis
***@rochester.rr.com
Audio Images Sound & Lighting, Inc.
www.audioimagesonline.com
Joe Kotroczo
2003-10-06 10:31:56 UTC
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Post by Tim Scott
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Post by Tim Scott
Post by Mike Borkhuis
Post by tim perry
the main reason for using fog is to make beams of effect
lighting or lasers visible.
True.... The only problem is that fog hugs the floor. Most
people are now using hazers to fill the room with haze to
make the light beams visible.
Or a combination of the two ... hazers for general room and stage
filling, and foggers for when heavy stuff is needed on stage.
Reminds me of a rig I saw at a local festival. The lighting company
had
Post by Mike Borkhuis
a DF-50 (hazer), a F-100 (fogger) and a fan strapped to the top of a case.
It was all setup to run off DMX so the band's LD could have haze or fog as
needed remotely controled from the lighting console.
Yeah, most set ups I see (on land and at sea) have the foggers and hazers
running off DMX from the LX console.
Not seen a fan running off DMX yet, though wouldn't be hard, as you'd just
get it's power feed from a dimmer channel.
There's a german manufacturer that makes a moving head fan... Pan, Tilt,
Speed, everything DMXed... :-)


Joe
Mike Borkhuis
2003-10-06 16:06:59 UTC
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Post by Joe Kotroczo
There's a german manufacturer that makes a moving head fan... Pan, Tilt,
Speed, everything DMXed... :-)
Got a name or link??

Mike Borkhuis
***@rochester.rr.com
Audio Images Sound & Lighting, Inc.
www.audioimagesonline.com
Joe Kotroczo
2003-10-08 10:43:52 UTC
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Post by Joe Kotroczo
There's a german manufacturer that makes a moving head fan... Pan, Tilt,
Speed, everything DMXed... :-)
Got a name or link??
Amptown PosiFan

http://www.amptown-lichttechnik.de/ click on "manuals"

Joe
Phildo
2003-10-09 21:50:31 UTC
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Post by Joe Kotroczo
Post by Mike Borkhuis
Post by Joe Kotroczo
There's a german manufacturer that makes a moving head fan... Pan, Tilt,
Speed, everything DMXed... :-)
Got a name or link??
Amptown PosiFan
http://www.amptown-lichttechnik.de/ click on "manuals"
Wow, they do fog machines and video projectors on moving yokes as well. No
idea how they would handle focus and keystoning on the video projector
though.

All I need now is to have a couple of moving yokes with high power gas flame
projectors fitted !!! :-) Roast bassist anyone?

I had a nightmare on the ship with the smoke machine. The old one was
offloaded before I left and everything takes months to be ordered so a
replacement still hadn't arrived by the time I got off. Hopefully there will
be a new dual hazer/fogger when I get back in January but somehow I doubt
it. I ended up having to borrow one from the staff captain who used it when
she did fire training. All very well except there was no dmx control on it
and it had a habit of jamming on making the band completely disappear from
view and start the audience panicking. I had the keyboard player operating
it but in the end just gave it up and waited in vain for a replacement to
arrive.

Phildo

Joe Kotroczo
2003-10-06 10:27:44 UTC
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Post by tim perry
the main reason for using fog is to make beams of effect
lighting or lasers visible.
True.... The only problem is that fog hugs the floor. Most
people are now using hazers to fill the room with haze to
make the light beams visible.
Or a combination of the two ... hazers for general room and stage
filling, and foggers for when heavy stuff is needed on stage.
Reminds me of a rig I saw at a local festival. The lighting company had
a DF-50 (hazer), a F-100 (fogger) and a fan strapped to the top of a case.
It was all setup to run off DMX so the band's LD could have haze or fog as
needed remotely controled from the lighting console.
The DF-50 needs special fluid IIRC, doesn't like "normal" fog fluid.

JOe
Mike Borkhuis
2003-10-06 16:08:14 UTC
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Post by Joe Kotroczo
The DF-50 needs special fluid IIRC, doesn't like "normal" fog fluid.
Correct....

Mike Borkhuis
***@rochester.rr.com
Audio Images Sound & Lighting, Inc.
www.audioimagesonline.com
Joe Kotroczo
2003-10-08 10:49:56 UTC
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Post by Joe Kotroczo
The DF-50 needs special fluid IIRC, doesn't like "normal" fog fluid.
Correct....
115 Euros for 5 liters... :-(

Joe
Joe Kotroczo
2003-10-06 10:23:20 UTC
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Post by tim perry
all the fog machines that i have worked on use fog fluid that is based on
glycol. (like what's in radiator anti freeze)
There's other systems as well, for example "oil crackers" or CO2 based
machines (the good and expensive ones use bottled CO2). I prefer the latter
ones: virtually silent and no residue at all.

Worst are the oil crackers, if you use them for a longer time, you'll find
your machine in a puddle of oil and an oil film on everything around.

Glycol based machines sometimes leave a greasy film on stuff as well.

I've never come across a water based machine!


Joe
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