Rode s1 mic.

[B***@the.controls]

I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.

Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.

After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s - and I wondering if anybody out there has experience of
the s1 and whether this is usual for it.

cheers

BJ
Only users lose drugs.

ROT13 this <***@hfn.arg> to contact me.

[Peter Larsen]

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

Leave it turned on a full week then, it could be humid, did you collect it
or was it shipped to you?

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s - and I wondering if anybody out there has
experience of the s1 and whether this is usual for it.

Humidity and/or dirt are the usual suspects. I wouldn't rush into doing a
major laundry job on a condenser microphone ... some skill is likely well
adviced.

Post by B***@the.controls
cheers
BJ

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
Only users lose drugs.

[B***@the.controls]

Post by Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

Leave it turned on a full week then, it could be humid, did you collect it
or was it shipped to you?

I shall try leaving it with the power connected for a couple of days, and
if the problem remains will return it.

Post by Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s - and I wondering if anybody out there has
experience of the s1 and whether this is usual for it.

Humidity and/or dirt are the usual suspects. I wouldn't rush into doing a
major laundry job on a condenser microphone ...

That would be well beyond my remit and skill.

Post by Peter Larsen
some skill is likely well
adviced.

Thank you Petter

cheers

Barrie

Post by Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
cheers
BJ

Kind regards
Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
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Only users lose drugs.

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[B***@the.controls]

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

Leave it turned on a full week then, it could be humid, did you collect it
or was it shipped to you?

I shall try leaving it with the power connected for a couple of days, and
if the problem remains will return it.

Looking at the seller's blurb, he mentioned the noise at switch-on, so I
shall probably have it service instead :)

cheers

BJ

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s - and I wondering if anybody out there has
experience of the s1 and whether this is usual for it.

Humidity and/or dirt are the usual suspects. I wouldn't rush into doing a
major laundry job on a condenser microphone ...

That would be well beyond my remit and skill.

Post by Peter Larsen
some skill is likely well
adviced.

Thank you Petter
cheers
Barrie

Post by Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
cheers
BJ

Kind regards
Peter Larsen

Post by B***@the.controls
Only users lose drugs.

Only users lose drugs.

Only users lose drugs.

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[geoff]

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s - and I wondering if anybody out there has
experience of the s1 and whether this is usual for it.

No. Mine 'comes up' within a few seconds. A night in the airing cupboard to
dry out should be the first step.

.... or that may be the reason it was sold in the first place You could
negoatiate with the seller, or have it repaired. But do try it on at least
one other mixer first in case it's a issue with you PP.

geoff

[B***@the.controls]

Post by geoff

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s - and I wondering if anybody out there has
experience of the s1 and whether this is usual for it.

No. Mine 'comes up' within a few seconds. A night in the airing cupboard to
dry out should be the first step.

It's in there now and then I shall leave it powered up for a couple of days

Post by geoff
.... or that may be the reason it was sold in the first place You could
negoatiate with the seller, or have it repaired.

I did get the microphone at a very cheap price (£50 plus p&p - and then he
refunded part of the p&p when it was less than I paid); reading through
this seller's blurb he does say:

++++++++++++
Item is used but is still in good condition and the only issue with the mic
is that it is noisy when the phantom power is first switched on and it will
hiss and pop for a couple of seconds before settling down to silent
operation. An initial loud pop is common for all condenser mics and is why
the advice is always to have the volume set to zero when they are first
switched on . This mic needs a few seconds longer but after that it is
perfect. Please take this into account before bidding.
+++++++++++

At the price it will probably be worth getting serviced.

Post by geoff
But do try it on at least
one other mixer first in case it's a issue with you PP.

I've tried it on my two mixers, and on a Behringer Shark which provides
phantom power as well.

cheers

BJ

Post by geoff
geoff

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[Peter Larsen]

Post by B***@the.controls
I did get the microphone at a very cheap price (£50 plus p&p - and
then he refunded part of the p&p when it was less than I paid);
++++++++++++
Item is used but is still in good condition and the only issue with
the mic is that it is noisy when the phantom power is first switched
on and it will hiss and pop for a couple of seconds before settling
down to silent operation. ..... Please take this into
account before bidding. +++++++++++

Not to worry, I've managed to overlook something in an auction heading, so
you're not alone, there could be some learning there tho' .... anyway, find
a (some, so that you can change them and wash them) foam windscreens that
fit it to avoid getting the spit-problem again, it is highly likely that
just that is what it is.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Peter Larsen]

.... anyway, find a (some, so that you can change them and wash them)
foam windscreens that fit it to avoid getting the spit-problem again,
it is highly likely that just that is what it is.

It is in the manual that the mic should be stored with active desiccant. Is
it?

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[B***@the.controls]

Post by Peter Larsen

.... anyway, find a (some, so that you can change them and wash them)
foam windscreens that fit it to avoid getting the spit-problem again,
it is highly likely that just that is what it is.

It is in the manual that the mic should be stored with active desiccant. Is
it?

It is. and that's how I've been storing it since it arrived. The dessicant
was in the box - not in the case with the mic.

BJ

Post by Peter Larsen
Kind regards
Peter Larsen

Only users lose drugs.

ROT13 this <***@hfn.arg> to contact me.

[Phil Allison]

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

** So ??

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s

** The Senne is an electret - fool.

I have my suspicions about the Rode m2 as well.



.... Phil

[B***@the.controls]

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

** So ??

I asked whether this was normal for this mic, since it doen't happen with
the others of a similar type.

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s

** The Senne is an electret - fool.

Phil, thank you for your contribution; would you explain to this fool how I
would elucidate that from the following extracts from the manufacturer's
website?

From
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_wired-microphones_vocal-microphones_evolution-800_004846?Open&row=1

+++++++
The e 865 is a fully professional super-cardioid vocal microphone utilising
the very best in condenser microphone technology
+++++++

and

+++++++
Transducer principle (Microphone) ...... pre-polarised condenser microphone
+++++++

In both of those paragraphs they refer to the microphone as a condenser

And at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret_microphone

+++++++++
An electret microphone is a type of condenser microphone,
+++++++++


So, a secondary question: since this microphone is a pre-polaries
condenser microphone (electret) is it usual for those microphones to have a
noisy period after switch-on? I realise that I'm a fool, possibly even a
moron, for not knowing this innately - but I would appreciate an answer
rather than abuse.

http://shure.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/731/~/difference-between-electret-condenser-and-true-condenser-microphones
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100118131704AAcRt7W

Were of no great help at all.

I do remember back in to 70s when I tried quite a few electret mics that
they all required batteries inside them, not the phantom power that my mics
use.

Post by Phil Allison
I have my suspicions about the Rode m2 as well.

That fine Australian company were of no great help at
http://www.rodemic.com/mics/m2
Thank you for your time.

Barrie

Post by Phil Allison
.... Phil

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[Phil Allison]

<***@the.controls>
"Phil Allison"

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

** So ??

I asked whether this was normal for this mic, since it doen't happen with
the others of a similar type.

** Wrong.

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s

** The Senne is an electret - fool.

Phil, thank you for your contribution; would you explain to this fool how I
would elucidate that from the following extracts from the manufacturer's
website?
From
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_wired-microphones_vocal-microphones_evolution-800_004846?Open&row=1

** Click on Technical Data - the first line tells you it is a "pre
polarised" .

Then there is the Product Sheet:

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/products.nsf/resources/50A1401353F0FD26C12574330041AF17/$File/evo_865_GB.pdf

First line reads: " Back Electret.... "

Post by B***@the.controls
So, a secondary question: since this microphone is a pre-polaries
condenser microphone (electret) is it usual for those microphones to have a
noisy period after switch-on?

** The point of my comment is that Electret mics supply NO high voltage DC
to the capsule - which is the cause source of switch on noises and also
continuous noise when the capsule is damp or contaminated.

BTW:

If the advertising does not say a mic is a " true condenser " - then it
probably isn't.


... Phil

[Rupert]

 "Phil Allison"

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

** So ??

I asked whether this was normal for this mic, since it doen't happen with
the others of a similar type.

**  Wrong.

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s

**  The Senne is an electret  -   fool.

Phil, thank you for your contribution; would you explain to this fool how I
would elucidate that from the following extracts from the manufacturer's
website?
From
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_wi...

** Click on Technical Data -  the first line tells you it is a "pre
polarised" .
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/products.nsf/resources/50A140135...
First line reads:  " Back Electret....  "

Post by B***@the.controls
So, a secondary question:  since this microphone is a pre-polaries
condenser microphone (electret) is it usual for those microphones to have a
noisy period after switch-on?

** The point of my comment is that Electret mics supply  NO high voltage DC
to the capsule - which is the cause source of switch on noises and also
continuous noise when the capsule is damp or contaminated.
If the advertising does not say a mic is a " true condenser " -  then it
probably isn't.
...  Phil

Performance wise, is there any inherent advantage to an externally
biased condenser mic capsule vs the pre-polorized/electret type? I
never see anything but electrets used in live sound reproduction.

Rupert

[Phil Allison]

"Rupert"

Performance wise, is there any inherent advantage to an externally
biased condenser mic capsule vs the pre-polorized/electret type? I
never see anything but electrets used in live sound reproduction.

** Ask the NG - not me.

Just because I mention a topic is not an offer to answer any question on it
you can dream up.



... Phil

[B***@the.controls]

Post by Phil Allison
"Phil Allison"

Phil,

Thank you for informing me of a subject that I have very limited experience
of.

It appears that a period of warm drying out may help - and if it doesn't
then a servie is in order.

cheers

Barrie

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
I've purchased a used Rode s1 microphone.
Checking it out for the first time last night resulted in a terrible
hissing through the sound system as I brought up the volume.
After leaving it for a couple of minutes it sounded fine.

** So ??

I asked whether this was normal for this mic, since it doen't happen with
the others of a similar type.

** Wrong.

Post by B***@the.controls

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
The same does not happen with my other condenser mics - Rode m2 and
Sennheiser e865s

** The Senne is an electret - fool.

Phil, thank you for your contribution; would you explain to this fool how I
would elucidate that from the following extracts from the manufacturer's
website?
From
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_wired-microphones_vocal-microphones_evolution-800_004846?Open&row=1

** Click on Technical Data - the first line tells you it is a "pre
polarised" .
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/products.nsf/resources/50A1401353F0FD26C12574330041AF17/$File/evo_865_GB.pdf
First line reads: " Back Electret.... "

Post by B***@the.controls
So, a secondary question: since this microphone is a pre-polaries
condenser microphone (electret) is it usual for those microphones to have a
noisy period after switch-on?

** The point of my comment is that Electret mics supply NO high voltage DC
to the capsule - which is the cause source of switch on noises and also
continuous noise when the capsule is damp or contaminated.
If the advertising does not say a mic is a " true condenser " - then it
probably isn't.
... Phil

Only users lose drugs.

ROT13 this <***@hfn.arg> to contact me.

[Phil Allison]

Post by B***@the.controls
Thank you for informing me of a subject that I have very limited experience
of.
It appears that a period of warm drying out may help

** And it may not.

The noise may simply be that of the 1 Gohm resistor passing current as the
diaphragm charges.

Post by B***@the.controls
- and if it doesn't then a servie is in order.

** Only folk who can do service is Rode here in Sydney.

All they ever do is replace capsules.

And the SOBs refuse to supply any parts to anyone.



... Phil

[B***@the.controls]

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
Thank you for informing me of a subject that I have very limited experience
of.
It appears that a period of warm drying out may help

** And it may not.
The noise may simply be that of the 1 Gohm resistor passing current as the
diaphragm charges.

This is how I learn, by absorbing information from those who know.

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
- and if it doesn't then a servie is in order.

** Only folk who can do service is Rode here in Sydney.

From their website I got the iompression that they had international
service centres.

Post by Phil Allison
All they ever do is replace capsules.
And the SOBs refuse to supply any parts to anyone.

That wouldn't be something that I'd undertake.

Once again, thank you for providing me with info beyond what I already had.

Barrie

Post by Phil Allison
... Phil

Only users lose drugs.

ROT13 this <***@hfn.arg> to contact me.

[B***@the.controls]

Post by Phil Allison

Post by B***@the.controls
Thank you for informing me of a subject that I have very limited experience
of.
It appears that a period of warm drying out may help

** And it may not.
The noise may simply be that of the 1 Gohm resistor passing current as the
diaphragm charges.

Post by B***@the.controls
- and if it doesn't then a servie is in order.

** Only folk who can do service is Rode here in Sydney.

I've had an email correspondence with their service department on Aus. and
they've asked me to contact my local (UK) service centre at Source
Distribution on 020 8962 5080

cheers

Barrie

Post by Phil Allison
All they ever do is replace capsules.
And the SOBs refuse to supply any parts to anyone.
... Phil

Only users lose drugs.

ROT13 this <***@hfn.arg> to contact me.