Discussion:
Egos On This Board
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t***@gmail.com
2012-06-24 13:41:12 UTC
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Let's discuss, in a civil manner.

Are egos a problem?

Do they detract from the quality/caliber of content on this board?

Is there hope of ever containing them/pushing them aside, along with a willingness to "respectfully disagree" with each other without resorting to spitefulness and namecalling?

Again, we need to air this out so A.A.P.L-S can remain attractive to those with even a passing interest in what we do.

-ChrisCoaster
Rupert
2012-06-24 17:28:47 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Let's discuss, in a civil manner.
Are egos a problem?
Do they detract from the quality/caliber of content on this board?
Is there hope of ever containing them/pushing them aside, along with a willingness to "respectfully disagree" with each other without resorting to spitefulness and namecalling?
Again, we need to air this out so A.A.P.L-S can remain attractive to those with even a passing interest in what we do.
-ChrisCoaster
There are plenty of moderated audio boards out there where ego check is in play and the conversations are kept civil because this enforcement. I believe this is why traffic on AAPLS is dead and the only posts lately are pretty much OT, save recent Phil Allison post on why speakers die. There's not much reason to be here when there are really good forums like www.soundforums.net and http://forums.prosoundweb.com/. That's where most of the people are with useful information where real names are required to post so people tend to keep their shit real. Transgressors are promptly shown the door. Topics aren't allowed to degenerate in the lowest common denominator mud slinging that goes on here. Guys like Allison could never be on those boards because the bile in their guts can't help spilling over. It's a shame because Phil has a wealth of useful knowledge. Maybe he can write some more articles to espouse it in a ration manner like the last one

Rupert
Lord Valve
2012-06-25 02:38:21 UTC
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Post by Rupert
Post by t***@gmail.com
Let's discuss, in a civil manner.
Are egos a problem?
Do they detract from the quality/caliber of content on this board?
Is there hope of ever containing them/pushing them aside, along with a willingness to "respectfully disagree" with each other without resorting to spitefulness and namecalling?
Again, we need to air this out so A.A.P.L-S can remain attractive to those with even a passing interest in what we do.
-ChrisCoaster
There are plenty of moderated audio boards out there where ego check is in play and the conversations are kept civil because this enforcement. I believe this is why traffic on AAPLS is dead and the only posts lately are pretty much OT, save recent Phil Allison post on why speakers die. There's not much reason to be here when there are really good forums like www.soundforums.net and http://forums.prosoundweb.com/. That's where most of the people are with useful information where real names are required to post so people tend to keep their shit real. Transgressors are promptly shown the door. Topics aren't allowed to degenerate in the lowest common denominator mud slinging that goes on here. Guys like Allison could never be on those boards because the bile in their guts can't help spilling over. It's a shame because Phil has a wealth of useful knowledge. Maybe he can write some more articles to espouse it in a ration manner like the last one
Rupert
Moderated forums (and their moderators) can kiss my fat fucking ass.

The UseNet is the LAST free place on the Net - period.
As soon as any rules at all are imposed on speech, speech
is ipso facto no longer free. If you think Allison is a
cunt, you're free to tell him so, or fuck off. Just remember -
he (or I, for that matter) may well know something you don't,
and if you shut him down, you'll never learn it.

Lord Valve
Fuck YOU!
Phil Allison
2012-06-25 03:33:18 UTC
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"Lord Valve"
Post by Lord Valve
Moderated forums (and their moderators) can kiss my fat fucking ass.
The UseNet is the LAST free place on the Net - period.
As soon as any rules at all are imposed on speech, speech
is ipso facto no longer free.
** An essential part of " free speech " is the ability to thoroughly "out"
all fakes and liars and crooks.

If that ability is excluded, or else diluted to the point of being
ineffectual, then fakes and liars WILL TAKE OVER any public forum -
just as such folk do in real life.

For example:

Members of state and federal parliaments in this country (and most others)
enjoy an almost unfettered right of free speech while in parliament. A
right called " parliamentary privilege" allows them to speak freely about
any person or organisation with no fear of legal consequences. They can also
table any document to back up their words.

The media are entitled to report all such speeches, word for word.

Parliament would be a JOKE without this right.


... Phil
Flint
2013-07-26 16:07:06 UTC
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Post by Phil Allison
"Lord Valve"
Post by Lord Valve
Moderated forums (and their moderators) can kiss my fat fucking ass.
The UseNet is the LAST free place on the Net - period.
As soon as any rules at all are imposed on speech, speech
is ipso facto no longer free.
** An essential part of " free speech " is the ability to thoroughly "out"
all fakes and liars and crooks.
If that ability is excluded, or else diluted to the point of being
ineffectual, then fakes and liars WILL TAKE OVER any public forum -
just as such folk do in real life.
Members of state and federal parliaments in this country (and most others)
enjoy an almost unfettered right of free speech while in parliament. A
right called " parliamentary privilege" allows them to speak freely about
any person or organisation with no fear of legal consequences. They can also
table any document to back up their words.
The media are entitled to report all such speeches, word for word.
Parliament would be a JOKE without this right.
... Phil
I'll bet Phil just gets all kinds of jobs with that winning
personality of his...
--
MFB
Ron Johnson
2012-06-25 13:58:58 UTC
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Post by Lord Valve
Post by Rupert
Post by t***@gmail.com
Let's discuss, in a civil manner.
Are egos a problem?
Do they detract from the quality/caliber of content on this board?
Is there hope of ever containing them/pushing them aside, along with a willingness to "respectfully disagree" with each other without resorting to spitefulness and namecalling?
Again, we need to air this out so A.A.P.L-S can remain attractive to those with even a passing interest in what we do.
-ChrisCoaster
There are plenty of moderated audio boards out there where ego check is in play and the conversations are kept civil because this enforcement. I believe this is why traffic on AAPLS is dead and the only posts lately are pretty much OT, save recent Phil Allison post on why speakers die. There's not much reason to be here when there are really good forums like www.soundforums.net and http://forums.prosoundweb.com/. That's where most of the people are with useful information where real names are required to post so people tend to keep their shit real. Transgressors are promptly shown the door. Topics aren't allowed to degenerate in the lowest common denominator mud slinging that goes on here. Guys like Allison could never be on those boards because the bile in their guts can't help spilling over. It's a shame because Phil has a wealth of useful knowledge. Maybe he can write some more articles to espouse it in a ration manner like the last one
Rupert
Moderated forums (and their moderators) can kiss my fat fucking ass.
The UseNet is the LAST free place on the Net - period.
As soon as any rules at all are imposed on speech, speech
is ipso facto no longer free. If you think Allison is a
cunt, you're free to tell him so, or fuck off. Just remember -
he (or I, for that matter) may well know something you don't,
and if you shut him down, you'll never learn it.
Lord Valve
Fuck YOU!
Well said Valvey

Ron
Phil Allison
2012-06-25 03:08:08 UTC
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"Rupert is 100% WRONG"
Post by Rupert
There are plenty of moderated audio boards out there where ego check is in
play and the conversations are kept
civil because this enforcement.
** The language may be kept civil, but that does nothing for the standard of
thinking displayed in the posts.

The world is CHOCK FULL of congenital liars, con-men and all manner of
bullshit artists exploiting the simple trick of expressing themselves in a
conventionally mannered and fake erudite way.

They often go by titles such as " sales representative " or " marketing
manager ".

Capice ???
Post by Rupert
I believe this is why traffic on AAPLS is dead ...
** No, the NG never had any good posters, except for me and Dave Andrews.

The rest were little better than criminals and some were outright
criminals - like Phildo and Gleason.
Post by Rupert
the only posts lately are pretty much OT, save recent Phil Allison post on
why speakers die.
** Not really a post, but a link to one of my published articles.

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/speaker-failure.html
Post by Rupert
There's not much reason to be here when there are really good forums like
www.soundforums.net
and http://forums.prosoundweb.com/. That's where most of the people are
with useful information
where real names are required to post so people tend to keep their shit
real.
** The worst ever posters here were using their real names.
Post by Rupert
Transgressors are promptly shown the door.
** Shame about all the bullshit artists with a nice patter.
Post by Rupert
Topics aren't allowed to degenerate in the lowest common denominator mud
slinging that goes on here.
** The fakes and liars cannot be exposed for what they are either.
Post by Rupert
Guys like Allison could never be on those boards
** On the contrary, I would be glad to comply with civilised posting rules
since it would no longer be possible for others to post criminal abuse
against me.
Post by Rupert
It's a shame because Phil has a wealth of useful knowledge.
** Almost none of which can be posted here without receiving vile, personal
attacks from one or more of the resident psychopaths. In case you have
forgotten who they are, see this post from 2007:


* OBITUARY FOR A DEAD NEWSGROUP *
-----------------------------------------------------

The once potentially valuable public forum known as:

" Alt Audio Pro Live Sound " no longer exists.

CRIMINAL ASSHOLES HAVE TAKEN OVER

The " AAPLS Ugly Lynch Mob " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leader: George Gleeson the scumbag

Deputy: Phildo the child killer

Rope Man: Bob Urz.

Attendant willing cock suckers include :

Chad Wells

Saxology

McTigue

Sweeny

Hubert Bath

etc et alia ........



... Phil
Rupert
2012-06-25 17:54:45 UTC
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Post by Phil Allison
"Rupert is 100% WRONG"
Post by Rupert
There are plenty of moderated audio boards out there where ego check is in
play and the conversations are kept
civil because this enforcement.
** The language may be kept civil, but that does nothing for the standard of
thinking displayed in the posts.
The world is CHOCK FULL of congenital liars, con-men and all manner of
bullshit artists exploiting the simple trick of expressing themselves in a
conventionally mannered and fake erudite way.
They often go by titles such as " sales representative " or " marketing
manager ".
Capice ???
Post by Rupert
I believe this is why traffic on AAPLS is dead ...
** No, the NG never had any good posters, except for me and Dave Andrews.
The rest were little better than criminals and some were outright
criminals - like Phildo and Gleason.
Post by Rupert
the only posts lately are pretty much OT, save recent Phil Allison post on
why speakers die.
** Not really a post, but a link to one of my published articles.
http://sound.westhost.com/articles/speaker-failure.html
Post by Rupert
There's not much reason to be here when there are really good forums like
www.soundforums.net
and http://forums.prosoundweb.com/. That's where most of the people are
with useful information
where real names are required to post so people tend to keep their shit
real.
** The worst ever posters here were using their real names.
Post by Rupert
Transgressors are promptly shown the door.
** Shame about all the bullshit artists with a nice patter.
Post by Rupert
Topics aren't allowed to degenerate in the lowest common denominator mud
slinging that goes on here.
** The fakes and liars cannot be exposed for what they are either.
Post by Rupert
Guys like Allison could never be on those boards
** On the contrary, I would be glad to comply with civilised posting rules
since it would no longer be possible for others to post criminal abuse
against me.
Post by Rupert
It's a shame because Phil has a wealth of useful knowledge.
** Almost none of which can be posted here without receiving vile, personal
attacks from one or more of the resident psychopaths. In case you have
* OBITUARY FOR A DEAD NEWSGROUP *
-----------------------------------------------------
" Alt Audio Pro Live Sound " no longer exists.
CRIMINAL ASSHOLES HAVE TAKEN OVER
The " AAPLS Ugly Lynch Mob " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leader: George Gleeson the scumbag
Deputy: Phildo the child killer
Rope Man: Bob Urz.
Chad Wells
Saxology
McTigue
Sweeny
Hubert Bath
etc et alia ........
... Phil
FWIW, the 2 boards I linked to have strict rules as far as manufacture rep participation. They are only allowed to make posts related to their products when a question is specifically asked about those products. And they're not allowed to promote their own products. There are also veteran gear designers and bench techs that call out BS when it's posted in regards to myths and such to the point of being pedantic - for better or for worse. This is not to say there isn't some BS going on, but it's probably not as bad as one might think. At least people can get questions answered in a manner that's civil and inaccurate answers are shot down pretty fast.
Phil Allison
2012-06-26 00:14:31 UTC
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"Rupert is 100% WRONG "


FWIW, the 2 boards I linked to have strict rules as far as manufacture rep
participation.

** Totally irrelevant.

They are only allowed to make posts related to their products when a
question is specifically asked about those products. And they're not allowed
to promote their own products. There are also veteran gear designers and
bench techs that call out BS when it's posted in regards to myths and such
to the point of being pedantic - for better or for worse. This is not to say
there isn't some BS going on, but it's probably not as bad as one might
think. At least people can get questions answered in a manner that's civil
and inaccurate answers are shot down pretty fast.


** You have not answered my post.

You do not comprehend usenet.

You are an idiot.


.... Phil
FatBoySlimFast
2012-06-26 01:03:21 UTC
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Post by Phil Allison
** No, the NG never had any good posters, except for me and Dave Andrews.
This is the best post I've ever read here.
Steve W
Denny Strauser
2012-06-26 04:27:27 UTC
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On 6/24/2012 11:08 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
<snipped>
Post by Phil Allison
" Alt Audio Pro Live Sound " no longer exists.
CRIMINAL ASSHOLES HAVE TAKEN OVER
The " AAPLS Ugly Lynch Mob " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leader: George Gleeson the scumbag
Deputy: Phildo the child killer
Rope Man: Bob Urz.
Chad Wells
Saxology
McTigue
Sweeny
Hubert Bath
etc et alia ........
... Phil
I'm insulted that you didn't include me your list of assholes.
OTOH, I've never been a cock sucker ....

- Denny
Flint
2012-06-29 03:00:47 UTC
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Post by Denny Strauser
<snipped>
Post by Phil Allison
" Alt Audio Pro Live Sound " no longer exists.
CRIMINAL ASSHOLES HAVE TAKEN OVER
The " AAPLS Ugly Lynch Mob " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leader: George Gleeson the scumbag
Deputy: Phildo the child killer
Rope Man: Bob Urz.
Chad Wells
Saxology
McTigue
Sweeny
Hubert Bath
etc et alia ........
... Phil
I'm insulted that you didn't include me your list of assholes.
OTOH, I've never been a cock sucker ....
- Denny
Speaking of Phildo, whatever happened to him? I haven't seen him
around for a few years now. And what is up with Gleason and Urz?
--
MFB
Denny Strauser
2012-06-29 03:49:51 UTC
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Post by Denny Strauser
<snipped>
Post by Phil Allison
" Alt Audio Pro Live Sound " no longer exists.
CRIMINAL ASSHOLES HAVE TAKEN OVER
The " AAPLS Ugly Lynch Mob " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leader: George Gleeson the scumbag
Deputy: Phildo the child killer
Rope Man: Bob Urz.
Chad Wells
Saxology
McTigue
Sweeny
Hubert Bath
etc et alia ........
... Phil
I'm insulted that you didn't include me your list of assholes.
OTOH, I've never been a cock sucker ....
- Denny
Speaking of Phildo, whatever happened to him? I haven't seen him around
for a few years now. And what is up with Gleason and Urz?
I've been in contact with both George & Phildo on facebook and
otherwise. Both are doing well.

George is hosting a 3 day bluegrass festival on his property near
Ithaca, NY. The first day of performances are likely about to end soon.
But I suspect that there will be an unofficial late night jam around a
bonfire until daylight breaks.

And Phildo has been busy on his side of the pond. He just lost his
second cat to tragic circumstances in less than a year. My heart goes
out to him. My cat is my best friend.

- Denny
Denny Strauser
2012-06-29 03:51:18 UTC
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Post by Denny Strauser
George is hosting a 3 day bluegrass festival on his property near
Ithaca, NY. The first day of performances are likely about to end soon.
But I suspect that there will be an unofficial late night jam around a
bonfire until daylight breaks.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=414544911922113&set=a.347609768615628.78921.325040730872532&type=1&theater
Flint
2012-06-30 08:53:49 UTC
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Post by Denny Strauser
Post by Denny Strauser
George is hosting a 3 day bluegrass festival on his property near
Ithaca, NY. The first day of performances are likely about to end soon.
But I suspect that there will be an unofficial late night jam around a
bonfire until daylight breaks.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=414544911922113&set=a.347609768615628.78921.325040730872532&type=1&theater
Thanks Denny. One of these days I'll get around to doing the facebook
thing I suppose. I still am somewhat resistant tho... :)
--
MFB
bob urz
2012-07-10 18:11:53 UTC
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Post by Denny Strauser
<snipped>
Post by Phil Allison
" Alt Audio Pro Live Sound " no longer exists.
CRIMINAL ASSHOLES HAVE TAKEN OVER
The " AAPLS Ugly Lynch Mob " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leader: George Gleeson the scumbag
Deputy: Phildo the child killer
Rope Man: Bob Urz.
Chad Wells
Saxology
McTigue
Sweeny
Hubert Bath
etc et alia ........
... Phil
I'm insulted that you didn't include me your list of assholes.
OTOH, I've never been a cock sucker ....
- Denny
Speaking of Phildo, whatever happened to him? I haven't seen him around
for a few years now. And what is up with Gleason and Urz?
It was so nice for Phillis to give me some recognition. Everyone
deserves their 10 words of fame ;)

As far as what i am up to, i am out of the contracting business for now.
Had a roof collapse and a insurance company screwing and that
about took care of that.

I am IATSE, so I have been getting to see what the big boys are up to
for awhile now. I have worked about every major show out at one time
or another.

Just finished the college world series and setting up and tearing down
the Olympic swim trials pool. Today, i am off and i hurt like hell.
Being IA, sometimes i am a sound man, many times i am a grunt for hire.

I have been doing more Video production both in the truck as A1 and
camera op. Thats a different world altogether.

I have had some interesting exchanges with Phillis is the past.
Google them if anyone needs some amusement..

If Phil thinks he can post without all the name calling and BS,
more power to him. My money is he cannot. You cannot make the devil
an angel. I donate a dollar to the nicer pitch fork fund......

The only "ropes" i do these days are bolines and cloves for the gigs
i am setting up.


bob
Phil Allison
2012-06-26 08:52:29 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Let's discuss, in a civil manner.
Are egos a problem?
** Nope.

Watch this vid of Aussie band Skyhooks playing " Ego is Not a Dirty Word "
live in 1976 - the pics and sound are remarkably good.



FYI:

The " Hooks" were probably the most successful rock/pop band in Australia
through the late 70s and early 80s.

More vids on U-Tube.


.... Phil
Steve M
2012-06-27 01:11:24 UTC
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Post by Phil Allison
The " Hooks" were probably the most successful rock/pop band in Australia
through the late 70s and early 80s.
That's a bit like being the tallest midget.

--
Steve McQ
Flint
2012-07-04 19:01:32 UTC
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Post by Phil Allison
Post by t***@gmail.com
Let's discuss, in a civil manner.
Are egos a problem?
** Nope.
Watch this vid of Aussie band Skyhooks playing " Ego is Not a Dirty Word "
live in 1976 - the pics and sound are remarkably good.
http://youtu.be/UbQbmbNTyXU
The " Hooks" were probably the most successful rock/pop band in Australia
through the late 70s and early 80s.
More vids on U-Tube.
.... Phil
Speaking of bands from down under, whatever happened to Models?

I liked that tune 'Out of Mind, Out of Sight'. I had the opportunity
to work with them in Ocean City, Md. back in 86 during a stateside
tour of theirs. A band I used to work for opened for them at the
original Scandals nightclub (formerly known as Back of the Rack).

I remember they had this HAWT backup singer (one of 3 different ones
from what I understand), named Suzanne Abeyratne ("Zan")

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?artist=Zan+%283%29

I had hell of a time keeping my eyes off of her. Of course, working
at monitor world on that gig, I got paid to do just that - keep my
'eye' on her...
--
MFB
Phil Allison
2012-07-05 00:49:47 UTC
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"Flint"
Post by Flint
Post by Phil Allison
Watch this vid of Aussie band Skyhooks playing " Ego is Not a Dirty Word "
live in 1976 - the pics and sound are remarkably good.
http://youtu.be/UbQbmbNTyXU
The " Hooks" were probably the most successful rock/pop band in Australia
through the late 70s and early 80s.
More vids on U-Tube.
Speaking of bands from down under, whatever happened to Models?
** See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Models_(band)

Bass player Mark Ferry appears in a 3 piece band on a TV pop music trivia
show called " RocKwiz ".

One time sax player James Valentine hosts an afternoon AM radio talk show on
the government broadcaster ( the ABC ) - like most of his ilk, he is
particularly obnoxious.
Post by Flint
I liked that tune 'Out of Mind, Out of Sight'.
** See:


Not my idea of an Aussie band at all, but a bastard clone of " Roxy Music"
and " U.K. Squeeze".

Yuck.


.... Phil
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