audix om3 v's shure beta 58

[Hugh Fox]

i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

[George Gleason]

Post by Hugh Fox
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

for less money there is the aKG d-880 and the CAD 195
for more money try a Beyer m88 sennheiser 865 Neumann 105 and the audix
vx-10

[Blind Joni]

Post by Hugh Fox
What are the other options apart from shure and

Post by Hugh Fox
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

Sennheiser 800 series are pretty well liked.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Hugh Fox]

Post by Blind Joni

Post by Hugh Fox
What are the other options apart from shure and

Post by Hugh Fox
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

Sennheiser 800 series are pretty well liked.
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

thanks for the replys,

i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,

thanks again,
hugh.

[Mike T.]

Post by Hugh Fox

Post by Blind Joni

Post by Hugh Fox
What are the other options apart from shure and

Post by Hugh Fox
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

Sennheiser 800 series are pretty well liked.
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

thanks for the replys,
i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,
thanks again,
hugh.

I'm a sound tech, not a singer, and I work mostly smaller shows with
monitor wedges. Few of my performers have in-ear monitors.

Given a choice between the Beta58 and the OM-3xb, I would use the
Audix almost every time because of its better monitor rejection (gain
before feedback). It also has a less pronounced bump at 5K, a smoother
high end, and slightly less pronounced proximity effect with a
smoother low end. I could say the same for the Sennheiser e835 and
e845, and the AKG D880.

There are a few voices, mostly tenor rock 'n roll vocals that need to
cut through a dense guitar mix, that might benefit from the Beta58.
However, to my ears, most voices sound screechy on the Beta58.

Mike T.

[michael gaster]

Post by Hugh Fox
thanks for the replys,
i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,
thanks again,
hugh.

I am a huge Audix fan here,any question to how they sound... I can send you
desk recordings from shows that sound as good as alot of studio stuff you
will hear...

also what kind of price on the OM-3 and on the B58 have you found??? I can
probably help you out. and get you in to an OM-5 for the same money... a
matter a fact I have 2 OM-5's here that have probably 12 hours on them...
email me

[Ty Ford]

Post by michael gaster

Post by Hugh Fox
thanks for the replys,
i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,
thanks again,
hugh.

I am a huge Audix fan here,any question to how they sound... I can send you
desk recordings from shows that sound as good as alot of studio stuff you
will hear...
also what kind of price on the OM-3 and on the B58 have you found??? I can
probably help you out. and get you in to an OM-5 for the same money... a
matter a fact I have 2 OM-5's here that have probably 12 hours on them...
email me

Has anyone in this thread tried an Audio Technica AE5400? It's a handheld
condenser with pad and rolloff. A pretty amazing mic for my ears. Not too
many people have heard about it. The local GC is clueless, but when I had it
here I was very impressed. Beat a KMS105 in close micing.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Paul Matthews]

Post by Ty Ford
Has anyone in this thread tried an Audio Technica AE5400?

Got a bargain on eBay - £75 (with current exchange rate that's nearly $150)
mint condition. Not had chance to try it yet as most of the stuff I do does not
warrant that good a mic!

P.

[hank alrich]

"Hugh Fox" wrote...

<snipitty doo dah>

Post by Hugh Fox
i heard a beta 58 being used

<snipitty yay>

also what kind of price on the OM-3 and on the B58 have you found??? I can
probably help you out. and get you in to an OM-5 for the same money... a
matter a fact I have 2 OM-5's here that have probably 12 hours on them...

OM3 is usable; OM5 is much better. If one could get the OM5 for the
price of an OM3, go for it. (Michael is a reputable guy, and his offer
is genuine.)

--
ha

[Blind Joni]

Post by Hugh Fox
it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58

The mic choice should depend on the voice. I find that singers with a gravely
or rough tone are better served by a condensor or more "hifi" sounding mic..and
the 58 and B58 seem to not be the good choice as they accentuate the upper
midrange and sound "blaring" to my ears.
I personally prefer Audix mics for almost any application over a B52, B56, 57,
58,B57, B58 or a B87...just sounds better for my tastes.
YMMV.



John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[hank alrich]

Post by Hugh Fox
i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,

Given that choice I would buy the OM3 in a heartbeat.
--
ha

[Arny Krueger]

Post by George Gleason

Post by Hugh Fox
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

for less money there is the aKG d-880 and the CAD 195

The CAD c195 differs from the OM3, Beta 95 and D-880 in being cardioid,
not hypercardioid.

Post by George Gleason
for more money try a Beyer m88 sennheiser 865 Neumann 105 and the
audix vx-10

The VX-10 like the C195 seem to be out-of-place here because they are
cardioid, not hypercardioid like all the rest.

[George Gleason]

Post by Arny Krueger

Post by George Gleason

Post by Hugh Fox
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

for less money there is the aKG d-880 and the CAD 195

The CAD c195 differs from the OM3, Beta 95 and D-880 in being cardioid,
not hypercardioid.

Post by George Gleason
for more money try a Beyer m88 sennheiser 865 Neumann 105 and the
audix vx-10

The VX-10 like the C195 seem to be out-of-place here because they are
cardioid, not hypercardioid like all the rest.

It is a good quality vocal mic and deserves a listen
and I believe you use several(or the previous version cad 95) and are
happy with them

g

[Ole Johansen]

Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic. Had a
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a direct
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

Ole

Post by Hugh Fox
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

[John Halliburton]

Post by Ole Johansen
Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic. Had a
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a direct
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

My conclusions exactly. I own a pair of OM7 mics, and the difference in
just how the voice sounds more like the person using it was instantaneous
when I first hooked one up.

Best regards,

John Halliburton

[Tim Padrick]

Post by Ole Johansen

Post by Ole Johansen
Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic.

Had

Post by Ole Johansen
a

Post by Ole Johansen
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a

direct

Post by Ole Johansen
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

My conclusions exactly. I own a pair of OM7 mics, and the difference in
just how the voice sounds more like the person using it was instantaneous
when I first hooked one up.
Best regards,
John Halliburton

I also use the OM7. You can usually get them used on eBay or from RatSound
(or maybe Mr. Gaster?) for $125 to $150. Being a comparatively neutral mic,
I find that they work well on voices of all types.

I had a couple of OM5s for a while. They have nasties just as the SM and
Beta do, they are just different nasties. I've never use an OM3, so I
cannot comment. Other have said that they are more colored but cleaner than
the OM5.

The Sennheiser E835 is a nice mic for little money ($200 for three), an the
845 is good as well. I think I'd take either over a Beta 58.

The VX10 and the KMS105 are very nice (although very different, with their
own good qualities), but they require a lot of stage volume disipline.

[michael gaster]

Post by Tim Padrick

Post by Ole Johansen

Post by Ole Johansen
Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic.

Had

Post by Ole Johansen
a

Post by Ole Johansen
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a

direct

Post by Ole Johansen
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

My conclusions exactly. I own a pair of OM7 mics, and the difference in
just how the voice sounds more like the person using it was instantaneous
when I first hooked one up.
Best regards,
John Halliburton

I also use the OM7. You can usually get them used on eBay or from RatSound
(or maybe Mr. Gaster?) for $125 to $150. Being a comparatively neutral mic,
I find that they work well on voices of all types.
I had a couple of OM5s for a while. They have nasties just as the SM and
Beta do, they are just different nasties. I've never use an OM3, so I
cannot comment. Other have said that they are more colored but cleaner than
the OM5.
The Sennheiser E835 is a nice mic for little money ($200 for three), an the
845 is good as well. I think I'd take either over a Beta 58.
The VX10 and the KMS105 are very nice (although very different, with their
own good qualities), but they require a lot of stage volume disipline.

they have revised the VX-10 so its not so sensative, and for current VX-10
users you can send your mic back and they will change/upgrade it to the new
lower sens rating.

[Ty Ford]

Post by michael gaster

Post by Tim Padrick
I also use the OM7. You can usually get them used on eBay or from RatSound
(or maybe Mr. Gaster?) for $125 to $150. Being a comparatively neutral mic,
I find that they work well on voices of all types.
I had a couple of OM5s for a while. They have nasties just as the SM and
Beta do, they are just different nasties. I've never use an OM3, so I
cannot comment. Other have said that they are more colored but cleaner than
the OM5.
The Sennheiser E835 is a nice mic for little money ($200 for three), an the
845 is good as well. I think I'd take either over a Beta 58.
The VX10 and the KMS105 are very nice (although very different, with their
own good qualities), but they require a lot of stage volume disipline.

they have revised the VX-10 so its not so sensative, and for current VX-10
users you can send your mic back and they will change/upgrade it to the new
lower sens rating.

Try the AE5400 with pad and high pass. Really.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Particle Salad]

Nobody mentioned the AKG C-535... VERY nice mic, for not a lot of money.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by Hugh Fox
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.

I have heard Shures in general and understand why I don't like them.

Tried any European mics ? There is life outside the USA you know ! E.g.
AKG, Sennheiser, Beyer to name the obvious candidates for live use. I
did once use a Neumann live. It was stunning - but it's a bit overkill
using a U87 live !


Graham

[Phildo]

Post by Pooh Bear
I
did once use a Neumann live. It was stunning - but it's a bit overkill
using a U87 live !

That is what the KMS105 is for.

Phildo

[Joe L]

Post by Hugh Fox
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

I'm a player but I run my own sound.
I used the B58, and have replaced it with the om5. The off axis rejection
was noticeably way better. Plus a way smoother mic to my ears and that works
better with the iem's. When I have guest vocalists I prefer my sm58 over the
beta58 for them, to my ears it just seems to sound smoother and fit more
voices. The beta58 just really doesn't do it for me.

Joe L

[Pete Pine]

Post by Joe L

Post by Hugh Fox
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

I'm a player but I run my own sound.
I used the B58, and have replaced it with the om5. The off axis rejection
was noticeably way better. Plus a way smoother mic to my ears and that works
better with the iem's. When I have guest vocalists I prefer my sm58 over the
beta58 for them, to my ears it just seems to sound smoother and fit more
voices. The beta58 just really doesn't do it for me.
Joe L

thank you all for your opinions,
(from someone reading this ng regulary)

We have a band playing brasilian music, so there's a lot of percussion
sound bleeding to vocal mics, and now we are using sm58's to vocals.(5
total)
for most of male vocals 58's work ok (for the male lead perfect), but
somtimes for female leads low end seems to disappear into percussion
texture (noise...;-). I have to quite often "fader-help" her from Foh,
allthough I know sound is there...
Audix om7?.

excuse me if my english is not...

P