New PA w/several racks wondering about placement, hookup, ect.

[Tommy Phelps]

I'm a singer/songwriter, and have recently bought an entire PA system piece by piece and am wondering in what order shld I have the racks in my 12space roadcase, hookup, ect. I've always rented systems, but finally figured I should own my own system. So heres a complete list of what I've got
1. Beheringer PMH5000 20ch. 800watt Mixer w/dual ch. effects
2.Furman m-8x powerconditioner
3.Alesis QuadraVerb
4.Phonic PCL3200 Dual ch. Compressor/Limiter/Gate
5.Beheringer Dual ch.31 band EQ
6.BBE 422A Sonic Maximizer
7.Peavey VSX Crossover
8.Beheringer EP1500 2x450 PowerAmp
9.Beheringer EP1500 2x700 PowerAmp
10. 2Peavey 112TI Monitors
11. 2AudioCentron CE-15HMains
12. 1AudioCentron Dual 18's Subwoofer
I have all the patch cables, ect. and some of it hooked up, but some isn't and I dont know in what order the racks should be, ect from the bottom up to the board. I will say that Im running my mains out of the mixer's builtin 800watt power, and my sub is currently on one side of my larger EP1500, leaving one of those channels open. And I wanna use the other EP1500 specifically for the monitors. The current placement I have from bottom up screwed into the rack is 2amps on botom, then crossover, Sonic Maximizer, Dual 31EQ, Compressor/Limiter/Gate, QuadraVerb, Furman PowerConditioner w/ev plugged into it, then MixingBoard. If you could please tell me plugins from the bottom up

[Steve M]

Post by Tommy Phelps
I'm a singer/songwriter, and have recently bought an entire PA system
piece by piece and am wondering in what order shld I have the racks in my
12space roadcase,

Looks like you have just one 12 space rack. So, I don't get your reference
to "several racks".
I would have purchased two racks. One for the amps and crossover, and
another for the rest of the gear.
In any case, I wouldn't have bought most of the gear you listed, except
possibly the Behringer amps and the BSS unit.

--
Steve McQ

[Steve M]

Mistakenly wrote BSS, when I was referring to the BBE unit. Very different
items, for sure.

--
Steve McQ

[Richard Webb]

Post by Steve M
Looks like you have just one 12 space rack. So, I don't get your
reference to "several racks".

I wasn't sure, but that's what it appeared from his
equipment list.

Post by Steve M
I would have purchased two racks. One for the amps and crossover,
and another for the rest of the gear.

Again agreed, puts signal processing elsewhere than power
amps.

Post by Steve M
In any case, I wouldn't have bought most of the gear you listed,
except possibly the Behringer amps and the BSS unit.

Would again agree. But, obviously the guy knows nothing
about the gear he bought, so let's see if we can help him
piece together a workable setup.

First, the sonic maximizer. Not on the main bus, on an
individual channel via the inserts if you gotta have it.
Same with the compressor, which you could do a lot better
compressor for the same money elsewhere I'm sure.


USe the power amps in the Behringer board, and any graphics
therein for your monitors it seems to me. Sounds to me like you're set up to run a biamp system Tommy, not sure.

The effects unit, the bss iirc. Can go in your other
effects loop on the board. Usually these all in one low end boards offer you a second effects send for your own effects.

As for the sonic maximizer, they're not something I pull out of a bag of tricks much at all. I don't miss not having one in the remote truck. When they first came out a friend of
mine and i played with his, saw little every day use for it.

YOu might want to spend any upgrade dollars for better
compression and maybe limiting Tommy, especially if
eventually you and your colleagues want to go in ear
monitoring, but that's probably an adequate weekender
Saturday night at thevfw system for you to get started with. Behringer woudl be a step up for compression for you, lose
the Phonic somewhere asap. The sonic maximizer is going to
be more trouble to you than it's worth, and may not help
feedback problems etc. if you feed it through the monitor
chain. ITs best position at most times will be off.

Get insert cables for the compressor and the sonic maximizer thing, use 'em only if you need 'em, which most times you
probably won't, maybe on your vocal channel or another
element at times, but you can decide that once you've
learned a bit about how they work. Again be careful with
these on a vocal channel if they effect the monitor sends.





Regards,
Richard
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[Steve M]

Post by Richard Webb
YOu might want to spend any upgrade dollars for better
compression

Agreed. Even a dbx 266 would be a step up.

Post by Richard Webb
Get insert cables for the compressor and the sonic maximizer thing,
use 'em only if you need 'em, which most times you

Agreed again. Especially on the maximizer.

--
Steve McQ

[Tommy Phelps]

Post by Richard Webb

Post by Steve M
Looks like you have just one 12 space rack. So, I don't get your
reference to "several racks".

I wasn't sure, but that's what it appeared from his
equipment list.

Post by Steve M
I would have purchased two racks. One for the amps and crossover,
and another for the rest of the gear.

Again agreed, puts signal processing elsewhere than power
amps.

Post by Steve M
In any case, I wouldn't have bought most of the gear you listed,
except possibly the Behringer amps and the BSS unit.

Would again agree. But, obviously the guy knows nothing
about the gear he bought, so let's see if we can help him
piece together a workable setup.
First, the sonic maximizer. Not on the main bus, on an
individual channel via the inserts if you gotta have it.
Same with the compressor, which you could do a lot better
compressor for the same money elsewhere I'm sure.
USe the power amps in the Behringer board, and any graphics
therein for your monitors it seems to me. Sounds to me like you're set up to run a biamp system Tommy, not sure.
The effects unit, the bss iirc. Can go in your other
effects loop on the board. Usually these all in one low end boards offer you a second effects send for your own effects.
As for the sonic maximizer, they're not something I pull out of a bag of tricks much at all. I don't miss not having one in the remote truck. When they first came out a friend of
mine and i played with his, saw little every day use for it.
YOu might want to spend any upgrade dollars for better
compression and maybe limiting Tommy, especially if
eventually you and your colleagues want to go in ear
monitoring, but that's probably an adequate weekender
Saturday night at thevfw system for you to get started with. Behringer woudl be a step up for compression for you, lose
the Phonic somewhere asap. The sonic maximizer is going to
be more trouble to you than it's worth, and may not help
feedback problems etc. if you feed it through the monitor
chain. ITs best position at most times will be off.
Get insert cables for the compressor and the sonic maximizer thing, use 'em only if you need 'em, which most times you
probably won't, maybe on your vocal channel or another
element at times, but you can decide that once you've
learned a bit about how they work. Again be careful with
these on a vocal channel if they effect the monitor sends.
Regards,
Richard
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Wow you guys sure have ripped everything I've bought, but what you don't know is this gear has handled the Ameristar Casino Circuit for the past cple yrs jus fine. I know its all lowend equipment, but unless your on a label making money, your a close to broke musician, I am not, simply doin 5 nights a week/5sets a night. If life were better I wouldnt be on Google asking anyone these kind of questions. But any of thats unimportant. Truth is the gear cost me next to nuthing, buying here n there from other musicians who were flatbroke and selling everything including theyre mothers to pay bills.If I could afford Soundcraft, Crown, and EAW I damn sure would!! Thanks for the replies.

[Steve M]

Post by Tommy Phelps
Wow you guys sure have ripped everything I've bought,

OK. So you got it all second hand at super cheap prices.

But, it's hard to give answers when you don't seem to know what you actually
have.
First, you had a 12 space rack. Then, it's an 8 and a 4.
So, I will tell you what I think, based on the concept of one 4 space and
one 8 space.
Put the crossover and the two EP series amps in the 8 space, along with the
Furman.
Put everything else in the 4 space.

Hope that helps.

[Tommy Phelps]

Post by Steve M

Post by Tommy Phelps
Wow you guys sure have ripped everything I've bought,

OK. So you got it all second hand at super cheap prices.
But, it's hard to give answers when you don't seem to know what you actually
have.
First, you had a 12 space rack. Then, it's an 8 and a 4.
So, I will tell you what I think, based on the concept of one 4 space and
one 8 space.
Put the crossover and the two EP series amps in the 8 space, along with the
Furman.
Put everything else in the 4 space.
Hope that helps.
--
Ya thnx, but Ive got everything in the roadcases screwed in...I need help patching it in, from the amps being on the bottom up through each effect ect..then into the board. I tried to be quite clear in my question.

[Tommy Phelps]

Post by Steve M

Post by Tommy Phelps
Wow you guys sure have ripped everything I've bought,

OK. So you got it all second hand at super cheap prices.
But, it's hard to give answers when you don't seem to know what you actually
have.
First, you had a 12 space rack. Then, it's an 8 and a 4.
So, I will tell you what I think, based on the concept of one 4 space and
one 8 space.
Put the crossover and the two EP series amps in the 8 space, along with the
Furman.
Put everything else in the 4 space.
Hope that helps.
--
Ya thnx, but Ive got everything in the roadcases screwed in...I need help patching it in, from the amps being on the bottom up through each effect ect..then into the board. I tried to be quite clear in my question.

also 8 plus 4 equals 12...wether its a seperate 8 space n a four space...the logical things is amps are heavy...they always go on the bottom...and the crossovers on the bottom of my 8 space...its a simple two patch cords to plug it into the amps.. which Id have to do anyway to patch the crossover into the rest..next is my sonic maximizer because its basically only on the sub...then the eq...then comp/lim/gate, then the quadraverb, furman powercond, my wireless for guit/ and wirless mic...rack full... then board on top

[Tommy Phelps]

Post by Tommy Phelps
I'm a singer/songwriter, and have recently bought an entire PA system piece by piece and am wondering in what order shld I have the racks in my 12space roadcase, hookup, ect. I've always rented systems, but finally figured I should own my own system. So heres a complete list of what I've got
1. Beheringer PMH5000 20ch. 800watt Mixer w/dual ch. effects
2.Furman m-8x powerconditioner
3.Alesis QuadraVerb
4.Phonic PCL3200 Dual ch. Compressor/Limiter/Gate
5.Beheringer Dual ch.31 band EQ
6.BBE 422A Sonic Maximizer
7.Peavey VSX Crossover
8.Beheringer EP1500 2x450 PowerAmp
9.Beheringer EP1500 2x700 PowerAmp
10. 2Peavey 112TI Monitors
11. 2AudioCentron CE-15HMains
12. 1AudioCentron Dual 18's Subwoofer
I have all the patch cables, ect. and some of it hooked up, but some isn't and I dont know in what order the racks should be, ect from the bottom up to the board. I will say that Im running my mains out of the mixer's builtin 800watt power, and my sub is currently on one side of my larger EP1500, leaving one of those channels open. And I wanna use the other EP1500 specifically for the monitors. The current placement I have from bottom up screwed into the rack is 2amps on botom, then crossover, Sonic Maximizer, Dual 31EQ, Compressor/Limiter/Gate, QuadraVerb, Furman PowerConditioner w/ev plugged into it, then MixingBoard. If you could please tell me plugins from the bottom up

I bought a seperate 4 space rack for the 2 amps, and the rest is in a 8 space.

[Steve M]

Post by Tommy Phelps
I bought a seperate 4 space rack for the 2 amps, and the rest is in a 8 space.

You should have gotten a rack big enough to to fit the crossover and the
amps.
That way, those pieces can stay permanently cabled and you can just run one
or two cables
from the other rack to that one. Depending on whether you are running mono
or stereo.
With the x-over in a separate rack you'll have to patch the amps every time
you set up
and that doubles the number of cables you have to deal with.

--
Steve McQ

[Tommy Phelps]

Post by Tommy Phelps
I'm a singer/songwriter, and have recently bought an entire PA system piece by piece and am wondering in what order shld I have the racks in my 12space roadcase, hookup, ect. I've always rented systems, but finally figured I should own my own system. So heres a complete list of what I've got
1. Beheringer PMH5000 20ch. 800watt Mixer w/dual ch. effects
2.Furman m-8x powerconditioner
3.Alesis QuadraVerb
4.Phonic PCL3200 Dual ch. Compressor/Limiter/Gate
5.Beheringer Dual ch.31 band EQ
6.BBE 422A Sonic Maximizer
7.Peavey VSX Crossover
8.Beheringer EP1500 2x450 PowerAmp
9.Beheringer EP1500 2x700 PowerAmp
10. 2Peavey 112TI Monitors
11. 2AudioCentron CE-15HMains
12. 1AudioCentron Dual 18's Subwoofer
I have all the patch cables, ect. and some of it hooked up, but some isn't and I dont know in what order the racks should be, ect from the bottom up to the board. I will say that Im running my mains out of the mixer's builtin 800watt power, and my sub is currently on one side of my larger EP1500, leaving one of those channels open. And I wanna use the other EP1500 specifically for the monitors. The current placement I have from bottom up screwed into the rack is 2amps on botom, then crossover, Sonic Maximizer, Dual 31EQ, Compressor/Limiter/Gate, QuadraVerb, Furman PowerConditioner w/ev plugged into it, then MixingBoard. If you could please tell me plugins from the bottom up

I'm not looking to know what others would buy here, if you can't help me in my questions plz dont respond

[Bob Quintal]

Post by Tommy Phelps

Post by Tommy Phelps
I'm a singer/songwriter, and have recently bought an entire PA
system pie

ce by piece and am wondering in what order shld I have the racks
in my 12space roadcase, hookup, ect. I've always rented systems,
but finally figured I should own my own system. So heres a
complete list of what I've got

Post by Tommy Phelps
1. Beheringer PMH5000 20ch. 800watt Mixer w/dual ch. effects
2.Furman m-8x powerconditioner
3.Alesis QuadraVerb
4.Phonic PCL3200 Dual ch. Compressor/Limiter/Gate
5.Beheringer Dual ch.31 band EQ
6.BBE 422A Sonic Maximizer
7.Peavey VSX Crossover
8.Beheringer EP1500 2x450 PowerAmp
9.Beheringer EP1500 2x700 PowerAmp
10. 2Peavey 112TI Monitors
11. 2AudioCentron CE-15HMains
12. 1AudioCentron Dual 18's Subwoofer
I have all the patch cables, ect. and some of it hooked up, but
some isn'

t and I dont know in what order the racks should be, ect from the
bottom up to the board. I will say that Im running my mains out of
the mixer's builtin 800watt power, and my sub is currently on one
side of my larger EP1500, leaving one of those channels open. And
I wanna use the other EP1500 specifically for the monitors. The
current placement I have from bottom up screwed into the rack is
2amps on botom, then crossover, Sonic Maximizer, Dual 31EQ,
Compressor/Limiter/Gate, QuadraVerb, Furman PowerConditioner w/ev
plugged into it, then MixingBoard. If you could please tell me
plugins from the bottom up
I'm not looking to know what others would buy here, if you can't
help me in my questions plz dont respond

It does not matter what sequence that the units get placed into the
rack, beyond the concept that you want the stuff you are going to
adjust during a performance is nearer the top so you do not need to
bend down as far.

That said, I'd put the power conditioner at the bottom, since it
needs no adjustment, amps next, and the other stuff based on my rule
of thumb about accessibility.,

[Steve M]

Post by Tommy Phelps
I'm not looking to know what others would buy here, if you can't help me
in my questions plz dont respond.

You posted to an open newsgroup, and I can and will respond as I see fit.
Now, I'm going to tell you something you probably don't want to hear, but
here goes, anyway.
You should have posted to this NG before you bought anything. I don't know
where or how you
made your buying decisions but you could have done much better for the same
total cash outlay.

I will now tell you what I think of your list of gear.

Post by Tommy Phelps
1. Beheringer PMH5000 20ch. 800watt Mixer w/dual ch. effects

Some Behringer gear is pretty decent stuff. I do not consider their analog
mixers to be in that category.
Powered mixers are becoming the dinosaurs of the SR world. Better to have
powered speakers and a
small mixer. Powered boxes have the amps matched to the drivers and often
have internal processing.
You should have bought an Allen and Heath Zed series mixer, and some powered
speakers to go with it.
The Behringer 212As and 215As are very adequate and the price point is quite
reasonable. If you have a bit
more in your budget, a step up would be the DSP Behringers or even EV 112p
series boxes. Gets rid of
the need for any power amps. Cuts down on setup time and truck space.

Post by Tommy Phelps
3.Alesis QuadraVerb

A low end Lexicon would be a better choice for the same money

Post by Tommy Phelps
4.Phonic PCL3200 Dual ch. Compressor/Limiter/Gate

I would not use a piece of Phonic gear if it was given to me for free.
Possibly the worst
junk on the market. Even Peavey is an upgrade.

Post by Tommy Phelps
5.Beheringer Dual ch.31 band EQ

Another bad choice. For about 300USD you can get a Behringer DEQ 2496. Lots
of bang for the buck.
Has a stereo 31 band EQ, parametric EQ, delay, sub out x-over, RTA, and lots
more. I own four and they
go out on dry rentals all the time. They've paid for themselves many times
over.

Post by Tommy Phelps
7.Peavey VSX Crossover

I won't touch Peavey gear if I can help it. I often have to fulfill contract
riders and Peavey is a brand that's
most often listed as "unacceptable", as is Mackie. Rane or dbx would be
first choice on a limited budget.

Post by Tommy Phelps
8.Beheringer EP1500 2x450 PowerAmp
9.Beheringer EP1500 2x700 PowerAmp

How can two amps with the same model numbers have different output specs?
I'm going to guess one of these is a 2500?
They aren't bad at all given the price point. But, in the same range of $$
you can get
the QSC GX series, which I would choose.

Post by Tommy Phelps
10. 2Peavey 112TI Monitors

Again. No Peavey, ever. Some self powered Behringers would be the smart
choice.
I use them for monitors on small club gigs and they do the job @ less than
$300 ea. without the
need for power amps.

Post by Tommy Phelps
11. 2AudioCentron CE-15HMains
12. 1AudioCentron Dual 18's Subwoofer

Never heard of them. Probably Chinese and made in the same factory as Phonic
and other low end DJ gear.

Once more, you came here looking for advice and that's what we'll give you.
Your big mistake was doing it after
you spent a bunch of money.
In summation, it sounds like you got carried away with the amount of gear
you've bought for a small combo gig
setup. You could have spent the money elsewhere and eliminated some
superfluous pieces.

I am saying this with 45 years experience behind me. Having done damn near
every kind of gig you can name.
So, you can listen to what I'm trying to convey, or turn a deaf ear and keep
wasting your money.

--
Steve McQ

[Gareth Magennis]

Post by Steve M

Post by Tommy Phelps
I'm not looking to know what others would buy here, if you can't help me
in my questions plz dont respond.

You posted to an open newsgroup, and I can and will respond as I see fit.
Now, I'm going to tell you something you probably don't want to hear, but
here goes, anyway.
You should have posted to this NG before you bought anything. I don't know
where or how you
made your buying decisions but you could have done much better for the
same total cash outlay.
I will now tell you what I think of your list of gear.

Post by Tommy Phelps
1. Beheringer PMH5000 20ch. 800watt Mixer w/dual ch. effects

Some Behringer gear is pretty decent stuff. I do not consider their analog
mixers to be in that category.
Powered mixers are becoming the dinosaurs of the SR world. Better to have
powered speakers and a
small mixer. Powered boxes have the amps matched to the drivers and often
have internal processing.
You should have bought an Allen and Heath Zed series mixer, and some
powered speakers to go with it.
The Behringer 212As and 215As are very adequate and the price point is
quite reasonable. If you have a bit
more in your budget, a step up would be the DSP Behringers or even EV 112p
series boxes. Gets rid of
the need for any power amps. Cuts down on setup time and truck space.

Post by Tommy Phelps
3.Alesis QuadraVerb

A low end Lexicon would be a better choice for the same money

Post by Tommy Phelps
4.Phonic PCL3200 Dual ch. Compressor/Limiter/Gate

I would not use a piece of Phonic gear if it was given to me for free.
Possibly the worst
junk on the market. Even Peavey is an upgrade.

Post by Tommy Phelps
5.Beheringer Dual ch.31 band EQ

Another bad choice. For about 300USD you can get a Behringer DEQ 2496.
Lots of bang for the buck.
Has a stereo 31 band EQ, parametric EQ, delay, sub out x-over, RTA, and
lots more. I own four and they
go out on dry rentals all the time. They've paid for themselves many times
over.

Post by Tommy Phelps
7.Peavey VSX Crossover

I won't touch Peavey gear if I can help it. I often have to fulfill
contract riders and Peavey is a brand that's
most often listed as "unacceptable", as is Mackie. Rane or dbx would be
first choice on a limited budget.

Post by Tommy Phelps
8.Beheringer EP1500 2x450 PowerAmp
9.Beheringer EP1500 2x700 PowerAmp

How can two amps with the same model numbers have different output specs?
I'm going to guess one of these is a 2500?
They aren't bad at all given the price point. But, in the same range of $$
you can get
the QSC GX series, which I would choose.

Post by Tommy Phelps
10. 2Peavey 112TI Monitors

Again. No Peavey, ever. Some self powered Behringers would be the smart
choice.
$300 ea. without the
need for power amps.

Post by Tommy Phelps
11. 2AudioCentron CE-15HMains
12. 1AudioCentron Dual 18's Subwoofer

Never heard of them. Probably Chinese and made in the same factory as
Phonic and other low end DJ gear.
Once more, you came here looking for advice and that's what we'll give
you. Your big mistake was doing it after
you spent a bunch of money.
In summation, it sounds like you got carried away with the amount of gear
you've bought for a small combo gig
setup. You could have spent the money elsewhere and eliminated some
superfluous pieces.
I am saying this with 45 years experience behind me. Having done damn near
every kind of gig you can name.
So, you can listen to what I'm trying to convey, or turn a deaf ear and
keep wasting your money.
--
Steve McQ

Steve, with the greatest of respect, you don't appear to be listening.

Post by Steve M
I'm not looking to know what others would buy here, if you can't help me
in my questions plz dont respond.

The question, to me, is quite simple:

1. Tommy HAS a bunch of gear.
2. Tommy isn't sure how best to connect it.
3. Can you help him without incorporating your ego?



Gareth.

[Tommy Phelps]

Post by Gareth Magennis

Post by Steve M

Post by Tommy Phelps
I'm not looking to know what others would buy here, if you can't help me
in my questions plz dont respond.

You posted to an open newsgroup, and I can and will respond as I see fit.
Now, I'm going to tell you something you probably don't want to hear, but
here goes, anyway.
You should have posted to this NG before you bought anything. I don't know
where or how you
made your buying decisions but you could have done much better for the
same total cash outlay.
I will now tell you what I think of your list of gear.

Post by Tommy Phelps
1. Beheringer PMH5000 20ch. 800watt Mixer w/dual ch. effects

Some Behringer gear is pretty decent stuff. I do not consider their analog
mixers to be in that category.
Powered mixers are becoming the dinosaurs of the SR world. Better to have
powered speakers and a
small mixer. Powered boxes have the amps matched to the drivers and often
have internal processing.
You should have bought an Allen and Heath Zed series mixer, and some
powered speakers to go with it.
The Behringer 212As and 215As are very adequate and the price point is
quite reasonable. If you have a bit
more in your budget, a step up would be the DSP Behringers or even EV 112p
series boxes. Gets rid of
the need for any power amps. Cuts down on setup time and truck space.

Post by Tommy Phelps
3.Alesis QuadraVerb

A low end Lexicon would be a better choice for the same money

Post by Tommy Phelps
4.Phonic PCL3200 Dual ch. Compressor/Limiter/Gate

I would not use a piece of Phonic gear if it was given to me for free.
Possibly the worst
junk on the market. Even Peavey is an upgrade.

Post by Tommy Phelps
5.Beheringer Dual ch.31 band EQ

Another bad choice. For about 300USD you can get a Behringer DEQ 2496.
Lots of bang for the buck.
Has a stereo 31 band EQ, parametric EQ, delay, sub out x-over, RTA, and
lots more. I own four and they
go out on dry rentals all the time. They've paid for themselves many times
over.

Post by Tommy Phelps
7.Peavey VSX Crossover

I won't touch Peavey gear if I can help it. I often have to fulfill
contract riders and Peavey is a brand that's
most often listed as "unacceptable", as is Mackie. Rane or dbx would be
first choice on a limited budget.

Post by Tommy Phelps
8.Beheringer EP1500 2x450 PowerAmp
9.Beheringer EP1500 2x700 PowerAmp

How can two amps with the same model numbers have different output specs?
I'm going to guess one of these is a 2500?
They aren't bad at all given the price point. But, in the same range of $$
you can get
the QSC GX series, which I would choose.

Post by Tommy Phelps
10. 2Peavey 112TI Monitors

Again. No Peavey, ever. Some self powered Behringers would be the smart
choice.
$300 ea. without the
need for power amps.

Post by Tommy Phelps
11. 2AudioCentron CE-15HMains
12. 1AudioCentron Dual 18's Subwoofer

Never heard of them. Probably Chinese and made in the same factory as
Phonic and other low end DJ gear.
Once more, you came here looking for advice and that's what we'll give
you. Your big mistake was doing it after
you spent a bunch of money.
In summation, it sounds like you got carried away with the amount of gear
you've bought for a small combo gig
setup. You could have spent the money elsewhere and eliminated some
superfluous pieces.
I am saying this with 45 years experience behind me. Having done damn near
every kind of gig you can name.
So, you can listen to what I'm trying to convey, or turn a deaf ear and
keep wasting your money.
--
Steve McQ

Steve, with the greatest of respect, you don't appear to be listening.

Post by Steve M
I'm not looking to know what others would buy here, if you can't help me
in my questions plz dont respond.

1. Tommy HAS a bunch of gear.
2. Tommy isn't sure how best to connect it.
3. Can you help him without incorporating your ego?
Gareth.

Thnx Gareth..You seem to read alot better than others. I never posted how much I paid, so acting like its known what I spent seems strange to me, at anyrate your right..ITS SIMPLE.. Tommys a singer, not sound engineer...I got stuff...needs to get get plugged in..Ive heard it ALL work together before in front of roughly 3-500 people. Its all unplugged now...plz if you wanna help me out in plugging it up, great, otherwise Im not interested in what I should have bought,cuz thats really not important. Someday itll be Crown and EAW, with a Soundcraft Ghost board. Til then its whatever works. The maximizer THING as you put it has worked just fine giving punch to the sub, cleaning up the sound a bit, and then when recording at home works ok doing the same. Im not claiming this stuff to kickass. I leave that to my Marshall. But It Works which is all I want. Musicians are horsetraders as well and the 40$ I spent on one thing Im sure I can trade out or spend another measley amount on something different. Point is, again...it works...I dont like powered speakers, or powered subs which is why I didnt buy any. I dont care about setup time, cuz the places I play I do a full 1 or 2 weeks at. I have a trailer that holds plenty, and Im not concerned there either. I helped some friends of mine out that needed some cash, which in turn made me feel good, and in turn, I got some gear that "WORKS" for the application I need it for. Im not a soundman, and have rented in the past. But then I got smart and figured why pay Rent A Center fees when after a year or two I could have owned something myself instead of bought more gear for someone else. This business is hard enough to make $$ in, let alone walk away with extra, so buying gear period is hard. Therefore again...Thankyou for your replies on this "PUBLIC" forum. But where I thought I could get answers from to a "SIMPLE" question. All Ive gotten was someones rant and rag on my purchase. So much for trusting in good human nature to answer a simple question.
Tommy has some gear....
Needs help to plug it in...
Nothing more...Nothing less...

[Phil Allison]

"Tommy Phelps"

( snip lots of drivel )

Thankyou for your replies on this "PUBLIC" forum. But where I thought I
could get answers from to a "SIMPLE" question. All Ive gotten was someones
rant and rag on my purchase. So much for trusting in good human nature to
answer a simple question.
Tommy has some gear....
Needs help to plug it in...
Nothing more...Nothing less...


** Like so many GG posters who come here, Tommy does NOT have an actual
question, let alone a simple one.

What he does have is a *problem* facing him that he is not in a position to
understand or deal with - that it might be easily solved by folk on a NG
is optimistic in the extreme.

He desperately needs to find an experienced person to do the problem
solving, work through the possible configurations
and figure out as good one to try first. Then see how that goes and deal
with particular issues as they become clear.

This experienced person will likely expect to be paid and will not
appreciate a "singer/ songwriter" like Tommy telling him it is all simple.


... Phil

[k***@gmail.com]

On Monday, November 26, 2012 4:42:19 PM UTC-6, Gareth Magennis wrote>

<SNIP>

Someday itll be Crown and EAW, with a Soundcraft Ghost board. Til then its whatever works.

Why on earth would want an outdated & mediocre RECORDING board for live sound use?

The maximizer THING as you put it has worked just fine giving punch to the sub, cleaning up the
sound a bit, and then when recording at home works ok doing the same.

Really, such devices are USELESS for live sound reinforcement.

Im not claiming this stuff to kickass. I leave that to my Marshall. But It Works which is all I want. Musicians are horsetraders as well and the 40$ I spent on one thing Im sure I can trade out or spend another measley amount on something different. Point is, again...it works...I dont like powered speakers, or powered subs which is why I didnt buy any. I dont care about setup time, cuz the places I play I do a full 1 or 2 weeks at. I have a trailer that holds plenty, and Im not concerned there either. I helped some friends of mine out that needed some cash, which in turn made me feel good, and in turn, I got some gear that "WORKS" for the application I need it for. Im not a soundman, and have rented in the past. But then I got smart and figured why pay Rent A Center fees when after a year or two I could have owned something myself instead of bought more gear for someone else. This business is hard enough to make $$ in, let alone walk away with extra, so buying gear period is hard. Therefore again...Thankyou for your replies on this "PUBLIC" forum. But where I thought I could get answers from to a "SIMPLE" question. All Ive gotten was someones rant and rag on my purchase. So much for trusting in good human nature to answer a simple question.

Tommy has some gear....
Needs help to plug it in...
Nothing more...Nothing less...

Tommy should have asked for advice 1st on PROPER KIT and understood how to connected it FIRST before buying it. The fact that you don't already know this means you should not be purchasing it or owning it. It's not rocket since IF you know the first thing about system interconnection. As a Sony repair manual once said as a footnote to a critical adjustment on a piece of broadcast video gear "The key to making this adjustment is *knowing what you are doing.* Well, DO YA PUNK?

[Sean Conolly]

<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d1890e74-5969-49d7-8c16-***@googlegroups.com...
Tommy should have asked for advice 1st on PROPER KIT and understood how to
connected it FIRST before buying it. The fact that you don't already know
this means you should not be purchasing it or owning it. It's not rocket
since IF you know the first thing about system interconnection. As a Sony
repair manual once said as a footnote to a critical adjustment on a piece of
broadcast video gear "The key to making this adjustment is *knowing what you
are doing.* Well, DO YA PUNK?

-------------------------

Of all the questions I've asked over the years - I don't recall ever needing
to ask how to connect the gear. I'm pretty sure I already knew exactly how I
wanted to use a piece before I bought it, regardless of the price.

Sean

[k***@gmail.com]

Post by k***@gmail.com
Tommy should have asked for advice 1st on PROPER KIT and understood how to
connected it FIRST before buying it. The fact that you don't already know
this means you should not be purchasing it or owning it. It's not rocket
since IF you know the first thing about system interconnection. As a Sony
repair manual once said as a footnote to a critical adjustment on a piece of
broadcast video gear "The key to making this adjustment is *knowing what you
are doing.* Well, DO YA PUNK?
-------------------------
Of all the questions I've asked over the years - I don't recall ever needing
to ask how to connect the gear. I'm pretty sure I already knew exactly how I
wanted to use a piece before I bought it, regardless of the price.
Sean

http://www.ourstage.com/profile/tommyphelps/songs

[Steve M]

OK. I now see that the original post is from Google groups. That explains a
lot.

So, here's what I would do.







--
Steve McQ